Polynomial with unknown coefficients and exponents via pre-calculus techniques

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Determine $a$ and $b$ such that $ax^n+2 + bx^n + 2$ is divisible by $(x-1)^2$








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Determine $a$ and $b$ such that $ax^n+2 + bx^n + 2$ is divisible by $(x-1)^2$










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Since $1$ is root of a polynomial $p(x)=ax^n+2+bx^n+2$ we have $p(1)=0$ so
$b=-2-a$. Now we have:
$$p(x)=ax^n+2-2x^n -ax^n+2 $$
$$= ax^n(x^2-1)-2(x-1)(x^n-1+...+x^2+x+1) $$
$$= (x-1)underbraceBig(ax^n(x+1)-2(x^n-1...+x^2+x+1)Big)_q(x) $$
Now since $1$ double root we have also $q(1)=0$ so $2a-2n=0$ so $a=n$ and $b=-n-2$.






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Hint: $small abig((x-1)+1big)^n+2+bbig((x-1)+1big)^n+2=(x-1)^2(ldots)+abinomn+21(x-1)+a+bbinomn1(x-1)+b+2$.






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    Let $f(x)=ax^n+2+bx^n+2$ be divisible by $(x-1)^2$ therefore $$f(1)=0\f'(1)=0$$which means that $$a+b+2=0\(n+2)a+nb=0$$so $$a=-dfracnn+2b$$therefore $$a=n\b=-n-2$$Using pre-calculus method:



    $$f(x)=(x-1)Q(x)$$therefore $$f(1)=0$$or $$b=-a-2$$ by substituting we obtain$$f(x)=ax^n+2-ax^n-2x^n+2$$here we can write $$dfracf(x)x-1=ax^n(x+1)-2(x^n-1+cdots+x+1)$$again by substituting $x=1$ we finally obtain $$a=n\b=-n-2$$






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    • Hi Mostafa, thanks for your calculus based solution. I appreciate many solutions in general. But just to make note, this question says that it should be solved by pre-calculus methods.
      – Palu
      1 hour ago










    • Alright...I included that way either. Hope it helps you!
      – Mostafa Ayaz
      1 hour ago










    • Hi Mostafa, I like the way you are approaching it the pre-calculus way, but when you say " again by substituting x = 1 we finally obtain ", i can't follow how you get to the conclusion. I think you need to put in some more steps. When I look at your equation if i was to put x=1 , i would get undefined in the denominator on the left side. If i moved the (x-1) to the other side and set x=1, i would get zero on the other side. Hope you and show some more algebra steps.
      – Palu
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      Since $1$ is root of a polynomial $p(x)=ax^n+2+bx^n+2$ we have $p(1)=0$ so
      $b=-2-a$. Now we have:
      $$p(x)=ax^n+2-2x^n -ax^n+2 $$
      $$= ax^n(x^2-1)-2(x-1)(x^n-1+...+x^2+x+1) $$
      $$= (x-1)underbraceBig(ax^n(x+1)-2(x^n-1...+x^2+x+1)Big)_q(x) $$
      Now since $1$ double root we have also $q(1)=0$ so $2a-2n=0$ so $a=n$ and $b=-n-2$.






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      • Yes, thank you both dxiv and greedoid, I see that you are using some generalized factoring formulas here. This is something i would need to take some time to look at closely.
        – Palu
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      Since $1$ is root of a polynomial $p(x)=ax^n+2+bx^n+2$ we have $p(1)=0$ so
      $b=-2-a$. Now we have:
      $$p(x)=ax^n+2-2x^n -ax^n+2 $$
      $$= ax^n(x^2-1)-2(x-1)(x^n-1+...+x^2+x+1) $$
      $$= (x-1)underbraceBig(ax^n(x+1)-2(x^n-1...+x^2+x+1)Big)_q(x) $$
      Now since $1$ double root we have also $q(1)=0$ so $2a-2n=0$ so $a=n$ and $b=-n-2$.






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      • Yes, thank you both dxiv and greedoid, I see that you are using some generalized factoring formulas here. This is something i would need to take some time to look at closely.
        – Palu
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      Since $1$ is root of a polynomial $p(x)=ax^n+2+bx^n+2$ we have $p(1)=0$ so
      $b=-2-a$. Now we have:
      $$p(x)=ax^n+2-2x^n -ax^n+2 $$
      $$= ax^n(x^2-1)-2(x-1)(x^n-1+...+x^2+x+1) $$
      $$= (x-1)underbraceBig(ax^n(x+1)-2(x^n-1...+x^2+x+1)Big)_q(x) $$
      Now since $1$ double root we have also $q(1)=0$ so $2a-2n=0$ so $a=n$ and $b=-n-2$.






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      Since $1$ is root of a polynomial $p(x)=ax^n+2+bx^n+2$ we have $p(1)=0$ so
      $b=-2-a$. Now we have:
      $$p(x)=ax^n+2-2x^n -ax^n+2 $$
      $$= ax^n(x^2-1)-2(x-1)(x^n-1+...+x^2+x+1) $$
      $$= (x-1)underbraceBig(ax^n(x+1)-2(x^n-1...+x^2+x+1)Big)_q(x) $$
      Now since $1$ double root we have also $q(1)=0$ so $2a-2n=0$ so $a=n$ and $b=-n-2$.







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      • Yes, thank you both dxiv and greedoid, I see that you are using some generalized factoring formulas here. This is something i would need to take some time to look at closely.
        – Palu
        1 hour ago
















      • Yes, thank you both dxiv and greedoid, I see that you are using some generalized factoring formulas here. This is something i would need to take some time to look at closely.
        – Palu
        1 hour ago















      Yes, thank you both dxiv and greedoid, I see that you are using some generalized factoring formulas here. This is something i would need to take some time to look at closely.
      – Palu
      1 hour ago




      Yes, thank you both dxiv and greedoid, I see that you are using some generalized factoring formulas here. This is something i would need to take some time to look at closely.
      – Palu
      1 hour ago










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      Hint: $small abig((x-1)+1big)^n+2+bbig((x-1)+1big)^n+2=(x-1)^2(ldots)+abinomn+21(x-1)+a+bbinomn1(x-1)+b+2$.






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        Hint: $small abig((x-1)+1big)^n+2+bbig((x-1)+1big)^n+2=(x-1)^2(ldots)+abinomn+21(x-1)+a+bbinomn1(x-1)+b+2$.






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          Hint: $small abig((x-1)+1big)^n+2+bbig((x-1)+1big)^n+2=(x-1)^2(ldots)+abinomn+21(x-1)+a+bbinomn1(x-1)+b+2$.






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          Hint: $small abig((x-1)+1big)^n+2+bbig((x-1)+1big)^n+2=(x-1)^2(ldots)+abinomn+21(x-1)+a+bbinomn1(x-1)+b+2$.







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              Let $f(x)=ax^n+2+bx^n+2$ be divisible by $(x-1)^2$ therefore $$f(1)=0\f'(1)=0$$which means that $$a+b+2=0\(n+2)a+nb=0$$so $$a=-dfracnn+2b$$therefore $$a=n\b=-n-2$$Using pre-calculus method:



              $$f(x)=(x-1)Q(x)$$therefore $$f(1)=0$$or $$b=-a-2$$ by substituting we obtain$$f(x)=ax^n+2-ax^n-2x^n+2$$here we can write $$dfracf(x)x-1=ax^n(x+1)-2(x^n-1+cdots+x+1)$$again by substituting $x=1$ we finally obtain $$a=n\b=-n-2$$






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              • Hi Mostafa, thanks for your calculus based solution. I appreciate many solutions in general. But just to make note, this question says that it should be solved by pre-calculus methods.
                – Palu
                1 hour ago










              • Alright...I included that way either. Hope it helps you!
                – Mostafa Ayaz
                1 hour ago










              • Hi Mostafa, I like the way you are approaching it the pre-calculus way, but when you say " again by substituting x = 1 we finally obtain ", i can't follow how you get to the conclusion. I think you need to put in some more steps. When I look at your equation if i was to put x=1 , i would get undefined in the denominator on the left side. If i moved the (x-1) to the other side and set x=1, i would get zero on the other side. Hope you and show some more algebra steps.
                – Palu
                36 mins ago














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              Let $f(x)=ax^n+2+bx^n+2$ be divisible by $(x-1)^2$ therefore $$f(1)=0\f'(1)=0$$which means that $$a+b+2=0\(n+2)a+nb=0$$so $$a=-dfracnn+2b$$therefore $$a=n\b=-n-2$$Using pre-calculus method:



              $$f(x)=(x-1)Q(x)$$therefore $$f(1)=0$$or $$b=-a-2$$ by substituting we obtain$$f(x)=ax^n+2-ax^n-2x^n+2$$here we can write $$dfracf(x)x-1=ax^n(x+1)-2(x^n-1+cdots+x+1)$$again by substituting $x=1$ we finally obtain $$a=n\b=-n-2$$






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              • Hi Mostafa, thanks for your calculus based solution. I appreciate many solutions in general. But just to make note, this question says that it should be solved by pre-calculus methods.
                – Palu
                1 hour ago










              • Alright...I included that way either. Hope it helps you!
                – Mostafa Ayaz
                1 hour ago










              • Hi Mostafa, I like the way you are approaching it the pre-calculus way, but when you say " again by substituting x = 1 we finally obtain ", i can't follow how you get to the conclusion. I think you need to put in some more steps. When I look at your equation if i was to put x=1 , i would get undefined in the denominator on the left side. If i moved the (x-1) to the other side and set x=1, i would get zero on the other side. Hope you and show some more algebra steps.
                – Palu
                36 mins ago












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              Let $f(x)=ax^n+2+bx^n+2$ be divisible by $(x-1)^2$ therefore $$f(1)=0\f'(1)=0$$which means that $$a+b+2=0\(n+2)a+nb=0$$so $$a=-dfracnn+2b$$therefore $$a=n\b=-n-2$$Using pre-calculus method:



              $$f(x)=(x-1)Q(x)$$therefore $$f(1)=0$$or $$b=-a-2$$ by substituting we obtain$$f(x)=ax^n+2-ax^n-2x^n+2$$here we can write $$dfracf(x)x-1=ax^n(x+1)-2(x^n-1+cdots+x+1)$$again by substituting $x=1$ we finally obtain $$a=n\b=-n-2$$






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              Let $f(x)=ax^n+2+bx^n+2$ be divisible by $(x-1)^2$ therefore $$f(1)=0\f'(1)=0$$which means that $$a+b+2=0\(n+2)a+nb=0$$so $$a=-dfracnn+2b$$therefore $$a=n\b=-n-2$$Using pre-calculus method:



              $$f(x)=(x-1)Q(x)$$therefore $$f(1)=0$$or $$b=-a-2$$ by substituting we obtain$$f(x)=ax^n+2-ax^n-2x^n+2$$here we can write $$dfracf(x)x-1=ax^n(x+1)-2(x^n-1+cdots+x+1)$$again by substituting $x=1$ we finally obtain $$a=n\b=-n-2$$







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              • Hi Mostafa, thanks for your calculus based solution. I appreciate many solutions in general. But just to make note, this question says that it should be solved by pre-calculus methods.
                – Palu
                1 hour ago










              • Alright...I included that way either. Hope it helps you!
                – Mostafa Ayaz
                1 hour ago










              • Hi Mostafa, I like the way you are approaching it the pre-calculus way, but when you say " again by substituting x = 1 we finally obtain ", i can't follow how you get to the conclusion. I think you need to put in some more steps. When I look at your equation if i was to put x=1 , i would get undefined in the denominator on the left side. If i moved the (x-1) to the other side and set x=1, i would get zero on the other side. Hope you and show some more algebra steps.
                – Palu
                36 mins ago
















              • Hi Mostafa, thanks for your calculus based solution. I appreciate many solutions in general. But just to make note, this question says that it should be solved by pre-calculus methods.
                – Palu
                1 hour ago










              • Alright...I included that way either. Hope it helps you!
                – Mostafa Ayaz
                1 hour ago










              • Hi Mostafa, I like the way you are approaching it the pre-calculus way, but when you say " again by substituting x = 1 we finally obtain ", i can't follow how you get to the conclusion. I think you need to put in some more steps. When I look at your equation if i was to put x=1 , i would get undefined in the denominator on the left side. If i moved the (x-1) to the other side and set x=1, i would get zero on the other side. Hope you and show some more algebra steps.
                – Palu
                36 mins ago















              Hi Mostafa, thanks for your calculus based solution. I appreciate many solutions in general. But just to make note, this question says that it should be solved by pre-calculus methods.
              – Palu
              1 hour ago




              Hi Mostafa, thanks for your calculus based solution. I appreciate many solutions in general. But just to make note, this question says that it should be solved by pre-calculus methods.
              – Palu
              1 hour ago












              Alright...I included that way either. Hope it helps you!
              – Mostafa Ayaz
              1 hour ago




              Alright...I included that way either. Hope it helps you!
              – Mostafa Ayaz
              1 hour ago












              Hi Mostafa, I like the way you are approaching it the pre-calculus way, but when you say " again by substituting x = 1 we finally obtain ", i can't follow how you get to the conclusion. I think you need to put in some more steps. When I look at your equation if i was to put x=1 , i would get undefined in the denominator on the left side. If i moved the (x-1) to the other side and set x=1, i would get zero on the other side. Hope you and show some more algebra steps.
              – Palu
              36 mins ago




              Hi Mostafa, I like the way you are approaching it the pre-calculus way, but when you say " again by substituting x = 1 we finally obtain ", i can't follow how you get to the conclusion. I think you need to put in some more steps. When I look at your equation if i was to put x=1 , i would get undefined in the denominator on the left side. If i moved the (x-1) to the other side and set x=1, i would get zero on the other side. Hope you and show some more algebra steps.
              – Palu
              36 mins ago










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