Was Paul Manafort exonerated for the crimes he’s now charged with?
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Andrew Napolitano just said this on Fox News regarding the trial of Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort:
Here’s Manafort’s defense: I was investigated for all this by the government 8 years ago and I was exonerated, and I’m going to put on the witness stand as my first witness the young lawyer who exonerated me. Do you know who that young lawyer is? Rod Rosenstein.
Is Napolitano right that Manafort was exonerated by the government 8 years ago for the crimes he’s now been charged with by Special Counsel Robert Mueller?
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Andrew Napolitano just said this on Fox News regarding the trial of Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort:
Here’s Manafort’s defense: I was investigated for all this by the government 8 years ago and I was exonerated, and I’m going to put on the witness stand as my first witness the young lawyer who exonerated me. Do you know who that young lawyer is? Rod Rosenstein.
Is Napolitano right that Manafort was exonerated by the government 8 years ago for the crimes he’s now been charged with by Special Counsel Robert Mueller?
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Andrew Napolitano just said this on Fox News regarding the trial of Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort:
Here’s Manafort’s defense: I was investigated for all this by the government 8 years ago and I was exonerated, and I’m going to put on the witness stand as my first witness the young lawyer who exonerated me. Do you know who that young lawyer is? Rod Rosenstein.
Is Napolitano right that Manafort was exonerated by the government 8 years ago for the crimes he’s now been charged with by Special Counsel Robert Mueller?
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Andrew Napolitano just said this on Fox News regarding the trial of Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort:
Here’s Manafort’s defense: I was investigated for all this by the government 8 years ago and I was exonerated, and I’m going to put on the witness stand as my first witness the young lawyer who exonerated me. Do you know who that young lawyer is? Rod Rosenstein.
Is Napolitano right that Manafort was exonerated by the government 8 years ago for the crimes he’s now been charged with by Special Counsel Robert Mueller?
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No, that's chronologically impossible, because some of the alleged crimes were committed less than 8 years ago.
The charges against Manafort are specified in this indictment. Many of the charges relate to actions allegedly taken by Manafort after 2010, so he couldn't possibly have been exonerated of those charges 8 years ago. In particular, Counts Four through Seven (false statements and obstruction of justice) relate to Manafort's allegedly false statements to investigators starting in 2016, and attempts to influence witnesses in that investigation.
It's true that some of the charges relate to patterns of conduct that started around 2008 and continued beyond 2010. If in fact Manafort was "exonerated" for those actions around 2010 (which I haven't verified), then one might guess that similar actions after 2010 weren't illegal either. But that isn't the situation for all the charges against him ("all this").
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mind that indictment is NOT charged. It's merely an intent to pursue charges.
– jwenting
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@jwenting: Maybe it's a semantic argument, but I think an indictment is exactly what most people mean when they say "charged", in the sense of "formally accused". Keep in mind that this indictment has been approved by a grand jury. The DoJ speaks of this process as the grand jury "voting to charge an individual with a crime". The indictment forced Manafort to either plead guilty or stand trial. Also, several dictionaries I checked give "indict" as a synonym of "charge".
– Nate Eldredge
2 days ago
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I believe, rather than an exoneration, it was a decision to not move forward with the case.
– Michael Richardson
2 days ago
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Technically in the US legal system "exonerated" means the person was a) Convicted of a crime and b) A judge decides to reverse the conviction. Its not an activity within the power of a "young lawyer".
– T.E.D.
2 days ago
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@TylerH - "found not guilty" is also a technical legal term, and it requires either a Judge or a Jury. Another thing a "young lawyer" cannot do. But more importantly, this use of what is in fact a criminal justice term for something having to do with the criminal justice process looks a lot like a purposeful attempt to convince people that something legally binding has happened that has not in fact happened.
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No, that's chronologically impossible, because some of the alleged crimes were committed less than 8 years ago.
The charges against Manafort are specified in this indictment. Many of the charges relate to actions allegedly taken by Manafort after 2010, so he couldn't possibly have been exonerated of those charges 8 years ago. In particular, Counts Four through Seven (false statements and obstruction of justice) relate to Manafort's allegedly false statements to investigators starting in 2016, and attempts to influence witnesses in that investigation.
It's true that some of the charges relate to patterns of conduct that started around 2008 and continued beyond 2010. If in fact Manafort was "exonerated" for those actions around 2010 (which I haven't verified), then one might guess that similar actions after 2010 weren't illegal either. But that isn't the situation for all the charges against him ("all this").
answered 2 days ago
Nate Eldredge
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mind that indictment is NOT charged. It's merely an intent to pursue charges.
– jwenting
2 days ago
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@jwenting: Maybe it's a semantic argument, but I think an indictment is exactly what most people mean when they say "charged", in the sense of "formally accused". Keep in mind that this indictment has been approved by a grand jury. The DoJ speaks of this process as the grand jury "voting to charge an individual with a crime". The indictment forced Manafort to either plead guilty or stand trial. Also, several dictionaries I checked give "indict" as a synonym of "charge".
– Nate Eldredge
2 days ago
5
I believe, rather than an exoneration, it was a decision to not move forward with the case.
– Michael Richardson
2 days ago
17
Technically in the US legal system "exonerated" means the person was a) Convicted of a crime and b) A judge decides to reverse the conviction. Its not an activity within the power of a "young lawyer".
– T.E.D.
2 days ago
21
@TylerH - "found not guilty" is also a technical legal term, and it requires either a Judge or a Jury. Another thing a "young lawyer" cannot do. But more importantly, this use of what is in fact a criminal justice term for something having to do with the criminal justice process looks a lot like a purposeful attempt to convince people that something legally binding has happened that has not in fact happened.
– T.E.D.
2 days ago
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No, that's chronologically impossible, because some of the alleged crimes were committed less than 8 years ago.
The charges against Manafort are specified in this indictment. Many of the charges relate to actions allegedly taken by Manafort after 2010, so he couldn't possibly have been exonerated of those charges 8 years ago. In particular, Counts Four through Seven (false statements and obstruction of justice) relate to Manafort's allegedly false statements to investigators starting in 2016, and attempts to influence witnesses in that investigation.
It's true that some of the charges relate to patterns of conduct that started around 2008 and continued beyond 2010. If in fact Manafort was "exonerated" for those actions around 2010 (which I haven't verified), then one might guess that similar actions after 2010 weren't illegal either. But that isn't the situation for all the charges against him ("all this").
answered 2 days ago
Nate Eldredge
4,63532431
6
mind that indictment is NOT charged. It's merely an intent to pursue charges.
– jwenting
2 days ago
8
@jwenting: Maybe it's a semantic argument, but I think an indictment is exactly what most people mean when they say "charged", in the sense of "formally accused". Keep in mind that this indictment has been approved by a grand jury. The DoJ speaks of this process as the grand jury "voting to charge an individual with a crime". The indictment forced Manafort to either plead guilty or stand trial. Also, several dictionaries I checked give "indict" as a synonym of "charge".
– Nate Eldredge
2 days ago
5
I believe, rather than an exoneration, it was a decision to not move forward with the case.
– Michael Richardson
2 days ago
17
Technically in the US legal system "exonerated" means the person was a) Convicted of a crime and b) A judge decides to reverse the conviction. Its not an activity within the power of a "young lawyer".
– T.E.D.
2 days ago
21
@TylerH - "found not guilty" is also a technical legal term, and it requires either a Judge or a Jury. Another thing a "young lawyer" cannot do. But more importantly, this use of what is in fact a criminal justice term for something having to do with the criminal justice process looks a lot like a purposeful attempt to convince people that something legally binding has happened that has not in fact happened.
– T.E.D.
2 days ago
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up vote
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No, that's chronologically impossible, because some of the alleged crimes were committed less than 8 years ago.
The charges against Manafort are specified in this indictment. Many of the charges relate to actions allegedly taken by Manafort after 2010, so he couldn't possibly have been exonerated of those charges 8 years ago. In particular, Counts Four through Seven (false statements and obstruction of justice) relate to Manafort's allegedly false statements to investigators starting in 2016, and attempts to influence witnesses in that investigation.
It's true that some of the charges relate to patterns of conduct that started around 2008 and continued beyond 2010. If in fact Manafort was "exonerated" for those actions around 2010 (which I haven't verified), then one might guess that similar actions after 2010 weren't illegal either. But that isn't the situation for all the charges against him ("all this").
answered 2 days ago
Nate Eldredge
4,63532431
No, that's chronologically impossible, because some of the alleged crimes were committed less than 8 years ago.
The charges against Manafort are specified in this indictment. Many of the charges relate to actions allegedly taken by Manafort after 2010, so he couldn't possibly have been exonerated of those charges 8 years ago. In particular, Counts Four through Seven (false statements and obstruction of justice) relate to Manafort's allegedly false statements to investigators starting in 2016, and attempts to influence witnesses in that investigation.
It's true that some of the charges relate to patterns of conduct that started around 2008 and continued beyond 2010. If in fact Manafort was "exonerated" for those actions around 2010 (which I haven't verified), then one might guess that similar actions after 2010 weren't illegal either. But that isn't the situation for all the charges against him ("all this").
answered 2 days ago
Nate Eldredge
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edited 2 days ago
answered 2 days ago
Nate Eldredge
4,63532431
answered 2 days ago
Nate Eldredge
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answered 2 days ago
Nate Eldredge
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mind that indictment is NOT charged. It's merely an intent to pursue charges.
– jwenting
2 days ago
8
@jwenting: Maybe it's a semantic argument, but I think an indictment is exactly what most people mean when they say "charged", in the sense of "formally accused". Keep in mind that this indictment has been approved by a grand jury. The DoJ speaks of this process as the grand jury "voting to charge an individual with a crime". The indictment forced Manafort to either plead guilty or stand trial. Also, several dictionaries I checked give "indict" as a synonym of "charge".
– Nate Eldredge
2 days ago
5
I believe, rather than an exoneration, it was a decision to not move forward with the case.
– Michael Richardson
2 days ago
17
Technically in the US legal system "exonerated" means the person was a) Convicted of a crime and b) A judge decides to reverse the conviction. Its not an activity within the power of a "young lawyer".
– T.E.D.
2 days ago
21
@TylerH - "found not guilty" is also a technical legal term, and it requires either a Judge or a Jury. Another thing a "young lawyer" cannot do. But more importantly, this use of what is in fact a criminal justice term for something having to do with the criminal justice process looks a lot like a purposeful attempt to convince people that something legally binding has happened that has not in fact happened.
– T.E.D.
2 days ago
 |Â
show 3 more comments
6
mind that indictment is NOT charged. It's merely an intent to pursue charges.
– jwenting
2 days ago
8
@jwenting: Maybe it's a semantic argument, but I think an indictment is exactly what most people mean when they say "charged", in the sense of "formally accused". Keep in mind that this indictment has been approved by a grand jury. The DoJ speaks of this process as the grand jury "voting to charge an individual with a crime". The indictment forced Manafort to either plead guilty or stand trial. Also, several dictionaries I checked give "indict" as a synonym of "charge".
– Nate Eldredge
2 days ago
5
I believe, rather than an exoneration, it was a decision to not move forward with the case.
– Michael Richardson
2 days ago
17
Technically in the US legal system "exonerated" means the person was a) Convicted of a crime and b) A judge decides to reverse the conviction. Its not an activity within the power of a "young lawyer".
– T.E.D.
2 days ago
21
@TylerH - "found not guilty" is also a technical legal term, and it requires either a Judge or a Jury. Another thing a "young lawyer" cannot do. But more importantly, this use of what is in fact a criminal justice term for something having to do with the criminal justice process looks a lot like a purposeful attempt to convince people that something legally binding has happened that has not in fact happened.
– T.E.D.
2 days ago
6
6
mind that indictment is NOT charged. It's merely an intent to pursue charges.
– jwenting
2 days ago
mind that indictment is NOT charged. It's merely an intent to pursue charges.
– jwenting
2 days ago
8
8
@jwenting: Maybe it's a semantic argument, but I think an indictment is exactly what most people mean when they say "charged", in the sense of "formally accused". Keep in mind that this indictment has been approved by a grand jury. The DoJ speaks of this process as the grand jury "voting to charge an individual with a crime". The indictment forced Manafort to either plead guilty or stand trial. Also, several dictionaries I checked give "indict" as a synonym of "charge".
– Nate Eldredge
2 days ago
@jwenting: Maybe it's a semantic argument, but I think an indictment is exactly what most people mean when they say "charged", in the sense of "formally accused". Keep in mind that this indictment has been approved by a grand jury. The DoJ speaks of this process as the grand jury "voting to charge an individual with a crime". The indictment forced Manafort to either plead guilty or stand trial. Also, several dictionaries I checked give "indict" as a synonym of "charge".
– Nate Eldredge
2 days ago
5
5
I believe, rather than an exoneration, it was a decision to not move forward with the case.
– Michael Richardson
2 days ago
I believe, rather than an exoneration, it was a decision to not move forward with the case.
– Michael Richardson
2 days ago
17
17
Technically in the US legal system "exonerated" means the person was a) Convicted of a crime and b) A judge decides to reverse the conviction. Its not an activity within the power of a "young lawyer".
– T.E.D.
2 days ago
Technically in the US legal system "exonerated" means the person was a) Convicted of a crime and b) A judge decides to reverse the conviction. Its not an activity within the power of a "young lawyer".
– T.E.D.
2 days ago
21
21
@TylerH - "found not guilty" is also a technical legal term, and it requires either a Judge or a Jury. Another thing a "young lawyer" cannot do. But more importantly, this use of what is in fact a criminal justice term for something having to do with the criminal justice process looks a lot like a purposeful attempt to convince people that something legally binding has happened that has not in fact happened.
– T.E.D.
2 days ago
@TylerH - "found not guilty" is also a technical legal term, and it requires either a Judge or a Jury. Another thing a "young lawyer" cannot do. But more importantly, this use of what is in fact a criminal justice term for something having to do with the criminal justice process looks a lot like a purposeful attempt to convince people that something legally binding has happened that has not in fact happened.
– T.E.D.
2 days ago
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