Is the singularity of a black hole homogenous?

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When matter is dropped into a black hole, does the content of the matter impact the structure of the singularity? That is to say, other than the change in mass, do any of the singularity’s properties change?







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  • Re: "other than the change in mass": You probably mean "other than the change in mass, charge, and angular momentum", those being the three independent physical properties of a stable black hole.
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When matter is dropped into a black hole, does the content of the matter impact the structure of the singularity? That is to say, other than the change in mass, do any of the singularity’s properties change?







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When matter is dropped into a black hole, does the content of the matter impact the structure of the singularity? That is to say, other than the change in mass, do any of the singularity’s properties change?







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When matter is dropped into a black hole, does the content of the matter impact the structure of the singularity? That is to say, other than the change in mass, do any of the singularity’s properties change?









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  • Re: "other than the change in mass": You probably mean "other than the change in mass, charge, and angular momentum", those being the three independent physical properties of a stable black hole.
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  • Re: "other than the change in mass": You probably mean "other than the change in mass, charge, and angular momentum", those being the three independent physical properties of a stable black hole.
    – ruakh
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Re: "other than the change in mass": You probably mean "other than the change in mass, charge, and angular momentum", those being the three independent physical properties of a stable black hole.
– ruakh
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Re: "other than the change in mass": You probably mean "other than the change in mass, charge, and angular momentum", those being the three independent physical properties of a stable black hole.
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A black hole singularity, in the description offered by general relativity, doesn't have any structure. It's a hole that's missing from spacetime, not some stuff that exists, spread over some region of spacetime. We can't say whether it has a particular size, or even how many dimensions it has, because the mathematical machinery of measurement breaks down. So since it doesn't really have any structure, it doesn't make sense to talk about whether that structure changes due to accretion of infalling matter. Even the mass of a black hole is not really a property of the singularity; it can be expressed mathematically as a property of the surrounding space.






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    Your titular question and the first question in the body don't make sense according to the model; a singularity doesn't have a structure and so can't have a homogeneousness. To answer your final question:




    That is to say, other than the change in mass, do any of the singularity’s properties change?




    Yes. You already know that dumping a few planets into the black hole will increase its mass. There are two other properties that you can change by throwing stuff into a black hole:



    • Making lots of spinning stuff spiral into the black hole will increase its angular momentum. Spinning black holes can have very strange properties.

    • Firing a stream of protons or electrons into the black hole will charge it. Charged black holes can also have strange properties, though we're not quite sure whether it's possible for a black hole to be charged enough for some of them to occur.

    If a black hole is spinning and is charged, you need the Kerr–Newman Metric to model it. This is a generalisation of lots of other metrics; if you set the charge and spin to 0 you get the same results as the Schwarzschild metric.






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      A black hole singularity, in the description offered by general relativity, doesn't have any structure. It's a hole that's missing from spacetime, not some stuff that exists, spread over some region of spacetime. We can't say whether it has a particular size, or even how many dimensions it has, because the mathematical machinery of measurement breaks down. So since it doesn't really have any structure, it doesn't make sense to talk about whether that structure changes due to accretion of infalling matter. Even the mass of a black hole is not really a property of the singularity; it can be expressed mathematically as a property of the surrounding space.






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        A black hole singularity, in the description offered by general relativity, doesn't have any structure. It's a hole that's missing from spacetime, not some stuff that exists, spread over some region of spacetime. We can't say whether it has a particular size, or even how many dimensions it has, because the mathematical machinery of measurement breaks down. So since it doesn't really have any structure, it doesn't make sense to talk about whether that structure changes due to accretion of infalling matter. Even the mass of a black hole is not really a property of the singularity; it can be expressed mathematically as a property of the surrounding space.






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          A black hole singularity, in the description offered by general relativity, doesn't have any structure. It's a hole that's missing from spacetime, not some stuff that exists, spread over some region of spacetime. We can't say whether it has a particular size, or even how many dimensions it has, because the mathematical machinery of measurement breaks down. So since it doesn't really have any structure, it doesn't make sense to talk about whether that structure changes due to accretion of infalling matter. Even the mass of a black hole is not really a property of the singularity; it can be expressed mathematically as a property of the surrounding space.






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          A black hole singularity, in the description offered by general relativity, doesn't have any structure. It's a hole that's missing from spacetime, not some stuff that exists, spread over some region of spacetime. We can't say whether it has a particular size, or even how many dimensions it has, because the mathematical machinery of measurement breaks down. So since it doesn't really have any structure, it doesn't make sense to talk about whether that structure changes due to accretion of infalling matter. Even the mass of a black hole is not really a property of the singularity; it can be expressed mathematically as a property of the surrounding space.







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              Your titular question and the first question in the body don't make sense according to the model; a singularity doesn't have a structure and so can't have a homogeneousness. To answer your final question:




              That is to say, other than the change in mass, do any of the singularity’s properties change?




              Yes. You already know that dumping a few planets into the black hole will increase its mass. There are two other properties that you can change by throwing stuff into a black hole:



              • Making lots of spinning stuff spiral into the black hole will increase its angular momentum. Spinning black holes can have very strange properties.

              • Firing a stream of protons or electrons into the black hole will charge it. Charged black holes can also have strange properties, though we're not quite sure whether it's possible for a black hole to be charged enough for some of them to occur.

              If a black hole is spinning and is charged, you need the Kerr–Newman Metric to model it. This is a generalisation of lots of other metrics; if you set the charge and spin to 0 you get the same results as the Schwarzschild metric.






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                Your titular question and the first question in the body don't make sense according to the model; a singularity doesn't have a structure and so can't have a homogeneousness. To answer your final question:




                That is to say, other than the change in mass, do any of the singularity’s properties change?




                Yes. You already know that dumping a few planets into the black hole will increase its mass. There are two other properties that you can change by throwing stuff into a black hole:



                • Making lots of spinning stuff spiral into the black hole will increase its angular momentum. Spinning black holes can have very strange properties.

                • Firing a stream of protons or electrons into the black hole will charge it. Charged black holes can also have strange properties, though we're not quite sure whether it's possible for a black hole to be charged enough for some of them to occur.

                If a black hole is spinning and is charged, you need the Kerr–Newman Metric to model it. This is a generalisation of lots of other metrics; if you set the charge and spin to 0 you get the same results as the Schwarzschild metric.






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                  Your titular question and the first question in the body don't make sense according to the model; a singularity doesn't have a structure and so can't have a homogeneousness. To answer your final question:




                  That is to say, other than the change in mass, do any of the singularity’s properties change?




                  Yes. You already know that dumping a few planets into the black hole will increase its mass. There are two other properties that you can change by throwing stuff into a black hole:



                  • Making lots of spinning stuff spiral into the black hole will increase its angular momentum. Spinning black holes can have very strange properties.

                  • Firing a stream of protons or electrons into the black hole will charge it. Charged black holes can also have strange properties, though we're not quite sure whether it's possible for a black hole to be charged enough for some of them to occur.

                  If a black hole is spinning and is charged, you need the Kerr–Newman Metric to model it. This is a generalisation of lots of other metrics; if you set the charge and spin to 0 you get the same results as the Schwarzschild metric.






                  share|cite|improve this answer













                  Your titular question and the first question in the body don't make sense according to the model; a singularity doesn't have a structure and so can't have a homogeneousness. To answer your final question:




                  That is to say, other than the change in mass, do any of the singularity’s properties change?




                  Yes. You already know that dumping a few planets into the black hole will increase its mass. There are two other properties that you can change by throwing stuff into a black hole:



                  • Making lots of spinning stuff spiral into the black hole will increase its angular momentum. Spinning black holes can have very strange properties.

                  • Firing a stream of protons or electrons into the black hole will charge it. Charged black holes can also have strange properties, though we're not quite sure whether it's possible for a black hole to be charged enough for some of them to occur.

                  If a black hole is spinning and is charged, you need the Kerr–Newman Metric to model it. This is a generalisation of lots of other metrics; if you set the charge and spin to 0 you get the same results as the Schwarzschild metric.







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