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So maybe its crazy for me to answer this, having just joined Canonical 3 months ago (today!) and having only run Ubuntu out of curiosity for the few years before joining Canonical. It might even be silly for me to answer it, given that I am on the server team, and Ubuntu definitely has a very large focus on making "Linux for Humans", ergo, the desktop.



To me, the release cycle is everything. Yes there are some things that will never go back to Debian, because these things are somewhat counter to Debian's philosophies. But these are by-products of the greater goal of usability.



When Ubuntu was started, the idea was simple. Debian was awesome then, and is still awesome today. I ran it exclusively for several years and it served me well on laptops, desktops, and especially on servers, being a server kind of guy. But that release cycle was so slow that all of the cool whiz bang stuff that people were producing on Linux was just not making it into the stable releases, and the unstable development release that had all of these things was un-installable (no official isos) and broken quite often.



So by saying "we're going to limit our focus to a couple of architectures, and a subset of packages" (the "main" archive in Ubuntu), the Ubuntu project was able to commit to releasing a tested, stabilized OS with all of that cool new stuff in it. They were also able to commit to carrying a bit of a delta from Debian that was highly focused on usability. By committing capital investment to it, Canonical was able to commit to having the technical staff available to make that happen.



One awesome part of that was that they (I say they, because I am not an Ubuntu member yet) could still keep a lot of the wide breadth of Debian software by creating the "universe" archive. Even better, a community (MOTU) grew up around that to make sure it received some stabilization before release as well.



So, to sum it all up with an analogy.. Ubuntu is to Debian, as your local restaurant is to the local farmer's market. Chef Ubuntu goes to the Debian farmer's market periodically, finds the best fresh ingredients, mixes them with his own special blend, and produces food for his intended audience. For people who enjoy cooking, they can, and do, just go down to the market and get what they need.






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    As a Debian developer, I don't consider myself a farmer :-) While there's some truth in the fact that Debian is certainly not as easy to use than Ubuntu for some tasks, it's not a philosophy or a choice that we made. Debian is the result of the work of its contributors... bring us the nice improvements and more people can eat at the Debian restaurant too. It's not the end of the Ubuntu restaurant. Together we will be stronger and maybe more people will eat sanely (and maybe the number of fast food will drop). :-)
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    "To me, the release cycle is everything. Yes there are some things that will never go back to Debian, because these things are somewhat counter to Debian's philosophies." -- The release cycle is the primary thing that will never go back to debian and is the primary cause of ubuntu's existence. Also, the farm is upstream from the distribution restaurants. The debian vision is to follow the upstream vision as close as possible, while still matching debian policy. With ubuntu, the vision of the distribution overrides the vision of the upstream developer to provide the consistent environment.
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    Note that at the time ubuntu was founded Debian was in the midst of it's longest ever release cycle (with some people wondering if it would ever end) at the same time that desktop linux was making a lot of forward progress. Since then the Debian release cycle has sped up a bit and the rate of forward progress in desktop linux has slowed down.
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  • "[unstable was] un-installable (no official isos) and broken quite often." Having used sid (debian unstable) for nearly four years on my desktop, I can say this is not the case. I've never had any major breakdowns with it, and the path to unstable is to use an officially provided release (or a 'testing') dvd/cd, and then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, replace your release name with sid (or unstable), then do apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade as root. Works fine.
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  • Interesting. Let's see: Wine: Ubuntu has 1.6.2, latest is 1.8.5. ffmpeg: Ubuntu 2.8.8, latest is 3.2. VirtualBox - 5.0.24/5.1.8 I understand that there's a large queue and more critical like OpenJDK (kudos for keeping that up to date) but some packages are quite behind. I volunteer to package something.
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Like many popular conceptions, the common characterizations of Debian and Ubuntu are only partially true. Debian’s reputation as an expert's distribution is partly based on its state a decade ago, although it does provide more scope for hands-on management if that is what you want. Similarly, while Ubuntu has always emphasized usability, like any distro, much of its usability comes from the software that it includes — software that is just as much a part of Debian as of Ubuntu.



So what are the differences between these Siamese twins? Looking at installation, the desktop, package management, and community in the two distributions what emerges is not so much major differences as differences of emphasis, and ultimately, of philosophy.




That was a quote from Bruce Byfield who hits the nail on the head. In the comparison between Ubuntu and Debian, the philosophy behind the software is the key difference between the two.



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    Ubuntu syncs from Debian every six months (weeks before every releases). Any package that doesn't have any Ubuntu specific changes in Ubuntu (i.e. the previous version was also from Debian) or isn't in Ubuntu already, gets synced into Ubuntu's Universe (free and third-party). MOTU put a lot of work into maintaining the Universe, but this isn't where Ubuntu differs from Debian the most.



    Ubuntu's distinctive packages are those in the Main repository (free and Canonical supported). (There is a table of the various repositories on the Ubuntu Team Wiki). This is where Canonical comes into the picture. When you read articles on the cool new things that Ubuntu will have and change in the next release, you're probably reading about something that will arrive in main. This is where Ubuntu is different from Debian.






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      For me personally the major difference it is actually a a lot about the release cycle. I find it a great benefit that I have the option of going for a kind-of-stable new release every six month, instead of having to choose between a potentially rather old stable release or the constant moving target of the testing release.






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        Ubuntu is generally based on the "unstable" version (codename "sid") of Debian. They take Debian "unstable" every 6 months and stabilise it. Ubuntu and Debian packages are binary incompatible.






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          They do not stabilize it. If that's what they wanted to do, then they might as well have synced from testing.
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          @Umang: How would you categorize the work done after feature freeze, except as stabilizing?
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        • Most of the syncing happens before DIF, which is well before the feature freeze. Also, from what I've understood, most packages that are synced into Ubuntu aren't essentially packages. They're applications, modules, etc that are more optional than essential. If that was the only way in which Ubuntu differed from Debian, then Ubuntu shouldn't have existed - MOTU should have just worked on Debian and stabilize Debian itself. Most of the work happens in Ubuntu happens in main, I believe.
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          @Umag: Never said it was the only, or even primary, difference between Debian and Ubuntu. I merely responded to the statement you made in your comment. I merely argue that there are more than none stabilizing happening after the packages have been synced from Unstanble.
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        • They do stabilize it a little, but that's not the focus. If a package needs Ubuntu specific changes, it probably doesn't already exist unchanged from Debian already. If a bug shows up, it will be fixed, but that's not what work after DIF is all about (not that I've done any, but this is what I understand).
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        So maybe its crazy for me to answer this, having just joined Canonical 3 months ago (today!) and having only run Ubuntu out of curiosity for the few years before joining Canonical. It might even be silly for me to answer it, given that I am on the server team, and Ubuntu definitely has a very large focus on making "Linux for Humans", ergo, the desktop.



        To me, the release cycle is everything. Yes there are some things that will never go back to Debian, because these things are somewhat counter to Debian's philosophies. But these are by-products of the greater goal of usability.



        When Ubuntu was started, the idea was simple. Debian was awesome then, and is still awesome today. I ran it exclusively for several years and it served me well on laptops, desktops, and especially on servers, being a server kind of guy. But that release cycle was so slow that all of the cool whiz bang stuff that people were producing on Linux was just not making it into the stable releases, and the unstable development release that had all of these things was un-installable (no official isos) and broken quite often.



        So by saying "we're going to limit our focus to a couple of architectures, and a subset of packages" (the "main" archive in Ubuntu), the Ubuntu project was able to commit to releasing a tested, stabilized OS with all of that cool new stuff in it. They were also able to commit to carrying a bit of a delta from Debian that was highly focused on usability. By committing capital investment to it, Canonical was able to commit to having the technical staff available to make that happen.



        One awesome part of that was that they (I say they, because I am not an Ubuntu member yet) could still keep a lot of the wide breadth of Debian software by creating the "universe" archive. Even better, a community (MOTU) grew up around that to make sure it received some stabilization before release as well.



        So, to sum it all up with an analogy.. Ubuntu is to Debian, as your local restaurant is to the local farmer's market. Chef Ubuntu goes to the Debian farmer's market periodically, finds the best fresh ingredients, mixes them with his own special blend, and produces food for his intended audience. For people who enjoy cooking, they can, and do, just go down to the market and get what they need.






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          As a Debian developer, I don't consider myself a farmer :-) While there's some truth in the fact that Debian is certainly not as easy to use than Ubuntu for some tasks, it's not a philosophy or a choice that we made. Debian is the result of the work of its contributors... bring us the nice improvements and more people can eat at the Debian restaurant too. It's not the end of the Ubuntu restaurant. Together we will be stronger and maybe more people will eat sanely (and maybe the number of fast food will drop). :-)
          – Raphaël Hertzog
          Aug 6 '10 at 21:04






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          "To me, the release cycle is everything. Yes there are some things that will never go back to Debian, because these things are somewhat counter to Debian's philosophies." -- The release cycle is the primary thing that will never go back to debian and is the primary cause of ubuntu's existence. Also, the farm is upstream from the distribution restaurants. The debian vision is to follow the upstream vision as close as possible, while still matching debian policy. With ubuntu, the vision of the distribution overrides the vision of the upstream developer to provide the consistent environment.
          – umeboshi
          Feb 3 '15 at 21:21






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          Note that at the time ubuntu was founded Debian was in the midst of it's longest ever release cycle (with some people wondering if it would ever end) at the same time that desktop linux was making a lot of forward progress. Since then the Debian release cycle has sped up a bit and the rate of forward progress in desktop linux has slowed down.
          – Peter Green
          Jul 29 '16 at 15:08










        • "[unstable was] un-installable (no official isos) and broken quite often." Having used sid (debian unstable) for nearly four years on my desktop, I can say this is not the case. I've never had any major breakdowns with it, and the path to unstable is to use an officially provided release (or a 'testing') dvd/cd, and then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, replace your release name with sid (or unstable), then do apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade as root. Works fine.
          – Wyatt8740
          Aug 15 '16 at 2:55










        • Interesting. Let's see: Wine: Ubuntu has 1.6.2, latest is 1.8.5. ffmpeg: Ubuntu 2.8.8, latest is 3.2. VirtualBox - 5.0.24/5.1.8 I understand that there's a large queue and more critical like OpenJDK (kudos for keeping that up to date) but some packages are quite behind. I volunteer to package something.
          – Ondra Žižka
          Nov 5 '16 at 22:55















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        So maybe its crazy for me to answer this, having just joined Canonical 3 months ago (today!) and having only run Ubuntu out of curiosity for the few years before joining Canonical. It might even be silly for me to answer it, given that I am on the server team, and Ubuntu definitely has a very large focus on making "Linux for Humans", ergo, the desktop.



        To me, the release cycle is everything. Yes there are some things that will never go back to Debian, because these things are somewhat counter to Debian's philosophies. But these are by-products of the greater goal of usability.



        When Ubuntu was started, the idea was simple. Debian was awesome then, and is still awesome today. I ran it exclusively for several years and it served me well on laptops, desktops, and especially on servers, being a server kind of guy. But that release cycle was so slow that all of the cool whiz bang stuff that people were producing on Linux was just not making it into the stable releases, and the unstable development release that had all of these things was un-installable (no official isos) and broken quite often.



        So by saying "we're going to limit our focus to a couple of architectures, and a subset of packages" (the "main" archive in Ubuntu), the Ubuntu project was able to commit to releasing a tested, stabilized OS with all of that cool new stuff in it. They were also able to commit to carrying a bit of a delta from Debian that was highly focused on usability. By committing capital investment to it, Canonical was able to commit to having the technical staff available to make that happen.



        One awesome part of that was that they (I say they, because I am not an Ubuntu member yet) could still keep a lot of the wide breadth of Debian software by creating the "universe" archive. Even better, a community (MOTU) grew up around that to make sure it received some stabilization before release as well.



        So, to sum it all up with an analogy.. Ubuntu is to Debian, as your local restaurant is to the local farmer's market. Chef Ubuntu goes to the Debian farmer's market periodically, finds the best fresh ingredients, mixes them with his own special blend, and produces food for his intended audience. For people who enjoy cooking, they can, and do, just go down to the market and get what they need.






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          As a Debian developer, I don't consider myself a farmer :-) While there's some truth in the fact that Debian is certainly not as easy to use than Ubuntu for some tasks, it's not a philosophy or a choice that we made. Debian is the result of the work of its contributors... bring us the nice improvements and more people can eat at the Debian restaurant too. It's not the end of the Ubuntu restaurant. Together we will be stronger and maybe more people will eat sanely (and maybe the number of fast food will drop). :-)
          – Raphaël Hertzog
          Aug 6 '10 at 21:04






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          "To me, the release cycle is everything. Yes there are some things that will never go back to Debian, because these things are somewhat counter to Debian's philosophies." -- The release cycle is the primary thing that will never go back to debian and is the primary cause of ubuntu's existence. Also, the farm is upstream from the distribution restaurants. The debian vision is to follow the upstream vision as close as possible, while still matching debian policy. With ubuntu, the vision of the distribution overrides the vision of the upstream developer to provide the consistent environment.
          – umeboshi
          Feb 3 '15 at 21:21






        • 2




          Note that at the time ubuntu was founded Debian was in the midst of it's longest ever release cycle (with some people wondering if it would ever end) at the same time that desktop linux was making a lot of forward progress. Since then the Debian release cycle has sped up a bit and the rate of forward progress in desktop linux has slowed down.
          – Peter Green
          Jul 29 '16 at 15:08










        • "[unstable was] un-installable (no official isos) and broken quite often." Having used sid (debian unstable) for nearly four years on my desktop, I can say this is not the case. I've never had any major breakdowns with it, and the path to unstable is to use an officially provided release (or a 'testing') dvd/cd, and then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, replace your release name with sid (or unstable), then do apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade as root. Works fine.
          – Wyatt8740
          Aug 15 '16 at 2:55










        • Interesting. Let's see: Wine: Ubuntu has 1.6.2, latest is 1.8.5. ffmpeg: Ubuntu 2.8.8, latest is 3.2. VirtualBox - 5.0.24/5.1.8 I understand that there's a large queue and more critical like OpenJDK (kudos for keeping that up to date) but some packages are quite behind. I volunteer to package something.
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          Nov 5 '16 at 22:55













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        So maybe its crazy for me to answer this, having just joined Canonical 3 months ago (today!) and having only run Ubuntu out of curiosity for the few years before joining Canonical. It might even be silly for me to answer it, given that I am on the server team, and Ubuntu definitely has a very large focus on making "Linux for Humans", ergo, the desktop.



        To me, the release cycle is everything. Yes there are some things that will never go back to Debian, because these things are somewhat counter to Debian's philosophies. But these are by-products of the greater goal of usability.



        When Ubuntu was started, the idea was simple. Debian was awesome then, and is still awesome today. I ran it exclusively for several years and it served me well on laptops, desktops, and especially on servers, being a server kind of guy. But that release cycle was so slow that all of the cool whiz bang stuff that people were producing on Linux was just not making it into the stable releases, and the unstable development release that had all of these things was un-installable (no official isos) and broken quite often.



        So by saying "we're going to limit our focus to a couple of architectures, and a subset of packages" (the "main" archive in Ubuntu), the Ubuntu project was able to commit to releasing a tested, stabilized OS with all of that cool new stuff in it. They were also able to commit to carrying a bit of a delta from Debian that was highly focused on usability. By committing capital investment to it, Canonical was able to commit to having the technical staff available to make that happen.



        One awesome part of that was that they (I say they, because I am not an Ubuntu member yet) could still keep a lot of the wide breadth of Debian software by creating the "universe" archive. Even better, a community (MOTU) grew up around that to make sure it received some stabilization before release as well.



        So, to sum it all up with an analogy.. Ubuntu is to Debian, as your local restaurant is to the local farmer's market. Chef Ubuntu goes to the Debian farmer's market periodically, finds the best fresh ingredients, mixes them with his own special blend, and produces food for his intended audience. For people who enjoy cooking, they can, and do, just go down to the market and get what they need.






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        So maybe its crazy for me to answer this, having just joined Canonical 3 months ago (today!) and having only run Ubuntu out of curiosity for the few years before joining Canonical. It might even be silly for me to answer it, given that I am on the server team, and Ubuntu definitely has a very large focus on making "Linux for Humans", ergo, the desktop.



        To me, the release cycle is everything. Yes there are some things that will never go back to Debian, because these things are somewhat counter to Debian's philosophies. But these are by-products of the greater goal of usability.



        When Ubuntu was started, the idea was simple. Debian was awesome then, and is still awesome today. I ran it exclusively for several years and it served me well on laptops, desktops, and especially on servers, being a server kind of guy. But that release cycle was so slow that all of the cool whiz bang stuff that people were producing on Linux was just not making it into the stable releases, and the unstable development release that had all of these things was un-installable (no official isos) and broken quite often.



        So by saying "we're going to limit our focus to a couple of architectures, and a subset of packages" (the "main" archive in Ubuntu), the Ubuntu project was able to commit to releasing a tested, stabilized OS with all of that cool new stuff in it. They were also able to commit to carrying a bit of a delta from Debian that was highly focused on usability. By committing capital investment to it, Canonical was able to commit to having the technical staff available to make that happen.



        One awesome part of that was that they (I say they, because I am not an Ubuntu member yet) could still keep a lot of the wide breadth of Debian software by creating the "universe" archive. Even better, a community (MOTU) grew up around that to make sure it received some stabilization before release as well.



        So, to sum it all up with an analogy.. Ubuntu is to Debian, as your local restaurant is to the local farmer's market. Chef Ubuntu goes to the Debian farmer's market periodically, finds the best fresh ingredients, mixes them with his own special blend, and produces food for his intended audience. For people who enjoy cooking, they can, and do, just go down to the market and get what they need.







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          As a Debian developer, I don't consider myself a farmer :-) While there's some truth in the fact that Debian is certainly not as easy to use than Ubuntu for some tasks, it's not a philosophy or a choice that we made. Debian is the result of the work of its contributors... bring us the nice improvements and more people can eat at the Debian restaurant too. It's not the end of the Ubuntu restaurant. Together we will be stronger and maybe more people will eat sanely (and maybe the number of fast food will drop). :-)
          – Raphaël Hertzog
          Aug 6 '10 at 21:04






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          "To me, the release cycle is everything. Yes there are some things that will never go back to Debian, because these things are somewhat counter to Debian's philosophies." -- The release cycle is the primary thing that will never go back to debian and is the primary cause of ubuntu's existence. Also, the farm is upstream from the distribution restaurants. The debian vision is to follow the upstream vision as close as possible, while still matching debian policy. With ubuntu, the vision of the distribution overrides the vision of the upstream developer to provide the consistent environment.
          – umeboshi
          Feb 3 '15 at 21:21






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          Note that at the time ubuntu was founded Debian was in the midst of it's longest ever release cycle (with some people wondering if it would ever end) at the same time that desktop linux was making a lot of forward progress. Since then the Debian release cycle has sped up a bit and the rate of forward progress in desktop linux has slowed down.
          – Peter Green
          Jul 29 '16 at 15:08










        • "[unstable was] un-installable (no official isos) and broken quite often." Having used sid (debian unstable) for nearly four years on my desktop, I can say this is not the case. I've never had any major breakdowns with it, and the path to unstable is to use an officially provided release (or a 'testing') dvd/cd, and then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, replace your release name with sid (or unstable), then do apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade as root. Works fine.
          – Wyatt8740
          Aug 15 '16 at 2:55










        • Interesting. Let's see: Wine: Ubuntu has 1.6.2, latest is 1.8.5. ffmpeg: Ubuntu 2.8.8, latest is 3.2. VirtualBox - 5.0.24/5.1.8 I understand that there's a large queue and more critical like OpenJDK (kudos for keeping that up to date) but some packages are quite behind. I volunteer to package something.
          – Ondra Žižka
          Nov 5 '16 at 22:55













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          As a Debian developer, I don't consider myself a farmer :-) While there's some truth in the fact that Debian is certainly not as easy to use than Ubuntu for some tasks, it's not a philosophy or a choice that we made. Debian is the result of the work of its contributors... bring us the nice improvements and more people can eat at the Debian restaurant too. It's not the end of the Ubuntu restaurant. Together we will be stronger and maybe more people will eat sanely (and maybe the number of fast food will drop). :-)
          – Raphaël Hertzog
          Aug 6 '10 at 21:04






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          "To me, the release cycle is everything. Yes there are some things that will never go back to Debian, because these things are somewhat counter to Debian's philosophies." -- The release cycle is the primary thing that will never go back to debian and is the primary cause of ubuntu's existence. Also, the farm is upstream from the distribution restaurants. The debian vision is to follow the upstream vision as close as possible, while still matching debian policy. With ubuntu, the vision of the distribution overrides the vision of the upstream developer to provide the consistent environment.
          – umeboshi
          Feb 3 '15 at 21:21






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          Note that at the time ubuntu was founded Debian was in the midst of it's longest ever release cycle (with some people wondering if it would ever end) at the same time that desktop linux was making a lot of forward progress. Since then the Debian release cycle has sped up a bit and the rate of forward progress in desktop linux has slowed down.
          – Peter Green
          Jul 29 '16 at 15:08










        • "[unstable was] un-installable (no official isos) and broken quite often." Having used sid (debian unstable) for nearly four years on my desktop, I can say this is not the case. I've never had any major breakdowns with it, and the path to unstable is to use an officially provided release (or a 'testing') dvd/cd, and then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, replace your release name with sid (or unstable), then do apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade as root. Works fine.
          – Wyatt8740
          Aug 15 '16 at 2:55










        • Interesting. Let's see: Wine: Ubuntu has 1.6.2, latest is 1.8.5. ffmpeg: Ubuntu 2.8.8, latest is 3.2. VirtualBox - 5.0.24/5.1.8 I understand that there's a large queue and more critical like OpenJDK (kudos for keeping that up to date) but some packages are quite behind. I volunteer to package something.
          – Ondra Žižka
          Nov 5 '16 at 22:55








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        As a Debian developer, I don't consider myself a farmer :-) While there's some truth in the fact that Debian is certainly not as easy to use than Ubuntu for some tasks, it's not a philosophy or a choice that we made. Debian is the result of the work of its contributors... bring us the nice improvements and more people can eat at the Debian restaurant too. It's not the end of the Ubuntu restaurant. Together we will be stronger and maybe more people will eat sanely (and maybe the number of fast food will drop). :-)
        – Raphaël Hertzog
        Aug 6 '10 at 21:04




        As a Debian developer, I don't consider myself a farmer :-) While there's some truth in the fact that Debian is certainly not as easy to use than Ubuntu for some tasks, it's not a philosophy or a choice that we made. Debian is the result of the work of its contributors... bring us the nice improvements and more people can eat at the Debian restaurant too. It's not the end of the Ubuntu restaurant. Together we will be stronger and maybe more people will eat sanely (and maybe the number of fast food will drop). :-)
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        Aug 6 '10 at 21:04




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        "To me, the release cycle is everything. Yes there are some things that will never go back to Debian, because these things are somewhat counter to Debian's philosophies." -- The release cycle is the primary thing that will never go back to debian and is the primary cause of ubuntu's existence. Also, the farm is upstream from the distribution restaurants. The debian vision is to follow the upstream vision as close as possible, while still matching debian policy. With ubuntu, the vision of the distribution overrides the vision of the upstream developer to provide the consistent environment.
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        Feb 3 '15 at 21:21




        "To me, the release cycle is everything. Yes there are some things that will never go back to Debian, because these things are somewhat counter to Debian's philosophies." -- The release cycle is the primary thing that will never go back to debian and is the primary cause of ubuntu's existence. Also, the farm is upstream from the distribution restaurants. The debian vision is to follow the upstream vision as close as possible, while still matching debian policy. With ubuntu, the vision of the distribution overrides the vision of the upstream developer to provide the consistent environment.
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        Feb 3 '15 at 21:21




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        Note that at the time ubuntu was founded Debian was in the midst of it's longest ever release cycle (with some people wondering if it would ever end) at the same time that desktop linux was making a lot of forward progress. Since then the Debian release cycle has sped up a bit and the rate of forward progress in desktop linux has slowed down.
        – Peter Green
        Jul 29 '16 at 15:08




        Note that at the time ubuntu was founded Debian was in the midst of it's longest ever release cycle (with some people wondering if it would ever end) at the same time that desktop linux was making a lot of forward progress. Since then the Debian release cycle has sped up a bit and the rate of forward progress in desktop linux has slowed down.
        – Peter Green
        Jul 29 '16 at 15:08












        "[unstable was] un-installable (no official isos) and broken quite often." Having used sid (debian unstable) for nearly four years on my desktop, I can say this is not the case. I've never had any major breakdowns with it, and the path to unstable is to use an officially provided release (or a 'testing') dvd/cd, and then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, replace your release name with sid (or unstable), then do apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade as root. Works fine.
        – Wyatt8740
        Aug 15 '16 at 2:55




        "[unstable was] un-installable (no official isos) and broken quite often." Having used sid (debian unstable) for nearly four years on my desktop, I can say this is not the case. I've never had any major breakdowns with it, and the path to unstable is to use an officially provided release (or a 'testing') dvd/cd, and then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, replace your release name with sid (or unstable), then do apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade as root. Works fine.
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        Interesting. Let's see: Wine: Ubuntu has 1.6.2, latest is 1.8.5. ffmpeg: Ubuntu 2.8.8, latest is 3.2. VirtualBox - 5.0.24/5.1.8 I understand that there's a large queue and more critical like OpenJDK (kudos for keeping that up to date) but some packages are quite behind. I volunteer to package something.
        – Ondra Žižka
        Nov 5 '16 at 22:55





        Interesting. Let's see: Wine: Ubuntu has 1.6.2, latest is 1.8.5. ffmpeg: Ubuntu 2.8.8, latest is 3.2. VirtualBox - 5.0.24/5.1.8 I understand that there's a large queue and more critical like OpenJDK (kudos for keeping that up to date) but some packages are quite behind. I volunteer to package something.
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        Like many popular conceptions, the common characterizations of Debian and Ubuntu are only partially true. Debian’s reputation as an expert's distribution is partly based on its state a decade ago, although it does provide more scope for hands-on management if that is what you want. Similarly, while Ubuntu has always emphasized usability, like any distro, much of its usability comes from the software that it includes — software that is just as much a part of Debian as of Ubuntu.



        So what are the differences between these Siamese twins? Looking at installation, the desktop, package management, and community in the two distributions what emerges is not so much major differences as differences of emphasis, and ultimately, of philosophy.




        That was a quote from Bruce Byfield who hits the nail on the head. In the comparison between Ubuntu and Debian, the philosophy behind the software is the key difference between the two.



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          Like many popular conceptions, the common characterizations of Debian and Ubuntu are only partially true. Debian’s reputation as an expert's distribution is partly based on its state a decade ago, although it does provide more scope for hands-on management if that is what you want. Similarly, while Ubuntu has always emphasized usability, like any distro, much of its usability comes from the software that it includes — software that is just as much a part of Debian as of Ubuntu.



          So what are the differences between these Siamese twins? Looking at installation, the desktop, package management, and community in the two distributions what emerges is not so much major differences as differences of emphasis, and ultimately, of philosophy.




          That was a quote from Bruce Byfield who hits the nail on the head. In the comparison between Ubuntu and Debian, the philosophy behind the software is the key difference between the two.



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            Like many popular conceptions, the common characterizations of Debian and Ubuntu are only partially true. Debian’s reputation as an expert's distribution is partly based on its state a decade ago, although it does provide more scope for hands-on management if that is what you want. Similarly, while Ubuntu has always emphasized usability, like any distro, much of its usability comes from the software that it includes — software that is just as much a part of Debian as of Ubuntu.



            So what are the differences between these Siamese twins? Looking at installation, the desktop, package management, and community in the two distributions what emerges is not so much major differences as differences of emphasis, and ultimately, of philosophy.




            That was a quote from Bruce Byfield who hits the nail on the head. In the comparison between Ubuntu and Debian, the philosophy behind the software is the key difference between the two.



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            Like many popular conceptions, the common characterizations of Debian and Ubuntu are only partially true. Debian’s reputation as an expert's distribution is partly based on its state a decade ago, although it does provide more scope for hands-on management if that is what you want. Similarly, while Ubuntu has always emphasized usability, like any distro, much of its usability comes from the software that it includes — software that is just as much a part of Debian as of Ubuntu.



            So what are the differences between these Siamese twins? Looking at installation, the desktop, package management, and community in the two distributions what emerges is not so much major differences as differences of emphasis, and ultimately, of philosophy.




            That was a quote from Bruce Byfield who hits the nail on the head. In the comparison between Ubuntu and Debian, the philosophy behind the software is the key difference between the two.



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                Ubuntu syncs from Debian every six months (weeks before every releases). Any package that doesn't have any Ubuntu specific changes in Ubuntu (i.e. the previous version was also from Debian) or isn't in Ubuntu already, gets synced into Ubuntu's Universe (free and third-party). MOTU put a lot of work into maintaining the Universe, but this isn't where Ubuntu differs from Debian the most.



                Ubuntu's distinctive packages are those in the Main repository (free and Canonical supported). (There is a table of the various repositories on the Ubuntu Team Wiki). This is where Canonical comes into the picture. When you read articles on the cool new things that Ubuntu will have and change in the next release, you're probably reading about something that will arrive in main. This is where Ubuntu is different from Debian.






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                  Ubuntu syncs from Debian every six months (weeks before every releases). Any package that doesn't have any Ubuntu specific changes in Ubuntu (i.e. the previous version was also from Debian) or isn't in Ubuntu already, gets synced into Ubuntu's Universe (free and third-party). MOTU put a lot of work into maintaining the Universe, but this isn't where Ubuntu differs from Debian the most.



                  Ubuntu's distinctive packages are those in the Main repository (free and Canonical supported). (There is a table of the various repositories on the Ubuntu Team Wiki). This is where Canonical comes into the picture. When you read articles on the cool new things that Ubuntu will have and change in the next release, you're probably reading about something that will arrive in main. This is where Ubuntu is different from Debian.






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                    Ubuntu syncs from Debian every six months (weeks before every releases). Any package that doesn't have any Ubuntu specific changes in Ubuntu (i.e. the previous version was also from Debian) or isn't in Ubuntu already, gets synced into Ubuntu's Universe (free and third-party). MOTU put a lot of work into maintaining the Universe, but this isn't where Ubuntu differs from Debian the most.



                    Ubuntu's distinctive packages are those in the Main repository (free and Canonical supported). (There is a table of the various repositories on the Ubuntu Team Wiki). This is where Canonical comes into the picture. When you read articles on the cool new things that Ubuntu will have and change in the next release, you're probably reading about something that will arrive in main. This is where Ubuntu is different from Debian.






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                    Ubuntu syncs from Debian every six months (weeks before every releases). Any package that doesn't have any Ubuntu specific changes in Ubuntu (i.e. the previous version was also from Debian) or isn't in Ubuntu already, gets synced into Ubuntu's Universe (free and third-party). MOTU put a lot of work into maintaining the Universe, but this isn't where Ubuntu differs from Debian the most.



                    Ubuntu's distinctive packages are those in the Main repository (free and Canonical supported). (There is a table of the various repositories on the Ubuntu Team Wiki). This is where Canonical comes into the picture. When you read articles on the cool new things that Ubuntu will have and change in the next release, you're probably reading about something that will arrive in main. This is where Ubuntu is different from Debian.







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                        For me personally the major difference it is actually a a lot about the release cycle. I find it a great benefit that I have the option of going for a kind-of-stable new release every six month, instead of having to choose between a potentially rather old stable release or the constant moving target of the testing release.






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                          For me personally the major difference it is actually a a lot about the release cycle. I find it a great benefit that I have the option of going for a kind-of-stable new release every six month, instead of having to choose between a potentially rather old stable release or the constant moving target of the testing release.






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                            For me personally the major difference it is actually a a lot about the release cycle. I find it a great benefit that I have the option of going for a kind-of-stable new release every six month, instead of having to choose between a potentially rather old stable release or the constant moving target of the testing release.






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                            For me personally the major difference it is actually a a lot about the release cycle. I find it a great benefit that I have the option of going for a kind-of-stable new release every six month, instead of having to choose between a potentially rather old stable release or the constant moving target of the testing release.







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                                Ubuntu is generally based on the "unstable" version (codename "sid") of Debian. They take Debian "unstable" every 6 months and stabilise it. Ubuntu and Debian packages are binary incompatible.






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                                  They do not stabilize it. If that's what they wanted to do, then they might as well have synced from testing.
                                  – Umang
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                                  @Umang: How would you categorize the work done after feature freeze, except as stabilizing?
                                  – andol
                                  Aug 6 '10 at 5:48










                                • Most of the syncing happens before DIF, which is well before the feature freeze. Also, from what I've understood, most packages that are synced into Ubuntu aren't essentially packages. They're applications, modules, etc that are more optional than essential. If that was the only way in which Ubuntu differed from Debian, then Ubuntu shouldn't have existed - MOTU should have just worked on Debian and stabilize Debian itself. Most of the work happens in Ubuntu happens in main, I believe.
                                  – Umang
                                  Aug 6 '10 at 6:01






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                                  @Umag: Never said it was the only, or even primary, difference between Debian and Ubuntu. I merely responded to the statement you made in your comment. I merely argue that there are more than none stabilizing happening after the packages have been synced from Unstanble.
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                                  Aug 6 '10 at 6:07










                                • They do stabilize it a little, but that's not the focus. If a package needs Ubuntu specific changes, it probably doesn't already exist unchanged from Debian already. If a bug shows up, it will be fixed, but that's not what work after DIF is all about (not that I've done any, but this is what I understand).
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                                Ubuntu is generally based on the "unstable" version (codename "sid") of Debian. They take Debian "unstable" every 6 months and stabilise it. Ubuntu and Debian packages are binary incompatible.






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                                  They do not stabilize it. If that's what they wanted to do, then they might as well have synced from testing.
                                  – Umang
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                                  @Umang: How would you categorize the work done after feature freeze, except as stabilizing?
                                  – andol
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                                • Most of the syncing happens before DIF, which is well before the feature freeze. Also, from what I've understood, most packages that are synced into Ubuntu aren't essentially packages. They're applications, modules, etc that are more optional than essential. If that was the only way in which Ubuntu differed from Debian, then Ubuntu shouldn't have existed - MOTU should have just worked on Debian and stabilize Debian itself. Most of the work happens in Ubuntu happens in main, I believe.
                                  – Umang
                                  Aug 6 '10 at 6:01






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                                  @Umag: Never said it was the only, or even primary, difference between Debian and Ubuntu. I merely responded to the statement you made in your comment. I merely argue that there are more than none stabilizing happening after the packages have been synced from Unstanble.
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                                • They do stabilize it a little, but that's not the focus. If a package needs Ubuntu specific changes, it probably doesn't already exist unchanged from Debian already. If a bug shows up, it will be fixed, but that's not what work after DIF is all about (not that I've done any, but this is what I understand).
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                                Ubuntu is generally based on the "unstable" version (codename "sid") of Debian. They take Debian "unstable" every 6 months and stabilise it. Ubuntu and Debian packages are binary incompatible.






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                                Ubuntu is generally based on the "unstable" version (codename "sid") of Debian. They take Debian "unstable" every 6 months and stabilise it. Ubuntu and Debian packages are binary incompatible.







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                                  They do not stabilize it. If that's what they wanted to do, then they might as well have synced from testing.
                                  – Umang
                                  Aug 6 '10 at 5:37







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                                  @Umang: How would you categorize the work done after feature freeze, except as stabilizing?
                                  – andol
                                  Aug 6 '10 at 5:48










                                • Most of the syncing happens before DIF, which is well before the feature freeze. Also, from what I've understood, most packages that are synced into Ubuntu aren't essentially packages. They're applications, modules, etc that are more optional than essential. If that was the only way in which Ubuntu differed from Debian, then Ubuntu shouldn't have existed - MOTU should have just worked on Debian and stabilize Debian itself. Most of the work happens in Ubuntu happens in main, I believe.
                                  – Umang
                                  Aug 6 '10 at 6:01






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                                  @Umag: Never said it was the only, or even primary, difference between Debian and Ubuntu. I merely responded to the statement you made in your comment. I merely argue that there are more than none stabilizing happening after the packages have been synced from Unstanble.
                                  – andol
                                  Aug 6 '10 at 6:07










                                • They do stabilize it a little, but that's not the focus. If a package needs Ubuntu specific changes, it probably doesn't already exist unchanged from Debian already. If a bug shows up, it will be fixed, but that's not what work after DIF is all about (not that I've done any, but this is what I understand).
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                                  Aug 6 '10 at 18:53












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                                  They do not stabilize it. If that's what they wanted to do, then they might as well have synced from testing.
                                  – Umang
                                  Aug 6 '10 at 5:37







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                                  @Umang: How would you categorize the work done after feature freeze, except as stabilizing?
                                  – andol
                                  Aug 6 '10 at 5:48










                                • Most of the syncing happens before DIF, which is well before the feature freeze. Also, from what I've understood, most packages that are synced into Ubuntu aren't essentially packages. They're applications, modules, etc that are more optional than essential. If that was the only way in which Ubuntu differed from Debian, then Ubuntu shouldn't have existed - MOTU should have just worked on Debian and stabilize Debian itself. Most of the work happens in Ubuntu happens in main, I believe.
                                  – Umang
                                  Aug 6 '10 at 6:01






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                                  @Umag: Never said it was the only, or even primary, difference between Debian and Ubuntu. I merely responded to the statement you made in your comment. I merely argue that there are more than none stabilizing happening after the packages have been synced from Unstanble.
                                  – andol
                                  Aug 6 '10 at 6:07










                                • They do stabilize it a little, but that's not the focus. If a package needs Ubuntu specific changes, it probably doesn't already exist unchanged from Debian already. If a bug shows up, it will be fixed, but that's not what work after DIF is all about (not that I've done any, but this is what I understand).
                                  – Umang
                                  Aug 6 '10 at 18:53







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                                They do not stabilize it. If that's what they wanted to do, then they might as well have synced from testing.
                                – Umang
                                Aug 6 '10 at 5:37





                                They do not stabilize it. If that's what they wanted to do, then they might as well have synced from testing.
                                – Umang
                                Aug 6 '10 at 5:37





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                                @Umang: How would you categorize the work done after feature freeze, except as stabilizing?
                                – andol
                                Aug 6 '10 at 5:48




                                @Umang: How would you categorize the work done after feature freeze, except as stabilizing?
                                – andol
                                Aug 6 '10 at 5:48












                                Most of the syncing happens before DIF, which is well before the feature freeze. Also, from what I've understood, most packages that are synced into Ubuntu aren't essentially packages. They're applications, modules, etc that are more optional than essential. If that was the only way in which Ubuntu differed from Debian, then Ubuntu shouldn't have existed - MOTU should have just worked on Debian and stabilize Debian itself. Most of the work happens in Ubuntu happens in main, I believe.
                                – Umang
                                Aug 6 '10 at 6:01




                                Most of the syncing happens before DIF, which is well before the feature freeze. Also, from what I've understood, most packages that are synced into Ubuntu aren't essentially packages. They're applications, modules, etc that are more optional than essential. If that was the only way in which Ubuntu differed from Debian, then Ubuntu shouldn't have existed - MOTU should have just worked on Debian and stabilize Debian itself. Most of the work happens in Ubuntu happens in main, I believe.
                                – Umang
                                Aug 6 '10 at 6:01




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                                @Umag: Never said it was the only, or even primary, difference between Debian and Ubuntu. I merely responded to the statement you made in your comment. I merely argue that there are more than none stabilizing happening after the packages have been synced from Unstanble.
                                – andol
                                Aug 6 '10 at 6:07




                                @Umag: Never said it was the only, or even primary, difference between Debian and Ubuntu. I merely responded to the statement you made in your comment. I merely argue that there are more than none stabilizing happening after the packages have been synced from Unstanble.
                                – andol
                                Aug 6 '10 at 6:07












                                They do stabilize it a little, but that's not the focus. If a package needs Ubuntu specific changes, it probably doesn't already exist unchanged from Debian already. If a bug shows up, it will be fixed, but that's not what work after DIF is all about (not that I've done any, but this is what I understand).
                                – Umang
                                Aug 6 '10 at 18:53




                                They do stabilize it a little, but that's not the focus. If a package needs Ubuntu specific changes, it probably doesn't already exist unchanged from Debian already. If a bug shows up, it will be fixed, but that's not what work after DIF is all about (not that I've done any, but this is what I understand).
                                – Umang
                                Aug 6 '10 at 18:53





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