Drinking habits riddle: the village is $90$%$+80$%$+70$%$+60$%$ = 300$ % saturated with liquids
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In a small village $90%$ of the people drink Tea, $80%$ Coffee, $70%$ Whiskey and $60%$ Gin. Nobody drinks all four beverages. What percentage of people of this village drinks alcohol?
I got this riddle from a relative and first thought it can be solved with the inclusion-, exclusion principle. That the percentage of people who drink alcohol has to be in the range from $ 70 $% to $ 100 $% is obvious to me
When $T, C ,W$ and $G$ are sets, and I assume a village with 100 people, than what I am looking for is $lvert Wcup Grvert = lvert Wrvert+lvert Grvert-lvert Wcap Grvert$ and I know that $lvert T cap C cap W cap G rvert = 0$ and also the absolute values of the singletons
But I do not see how this brings me any closer, since I still need to figure out what $lvert Wcap Grvert$ is and that looks similar hard at this point
On the way there I also noticed that $lvert Tcap Crvert ge 70$ and similar $lvert Wcap Grvert ge 30$
By now I think there is too little information to solve it precisely.
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In a small village $90%$ of the people drink Tea, $80%$ Coffee, $70%$ Whiskey and $60%$ Gin. Nobody drinks all four beverages. What percentage of people of this village drinks alcohol?
I got this riddle from a relative and first thought it can be solved with the inclusion-, exclusion principle. That the percentage of people who drink alcohol has to be in the range from $ 70 $% to $ 100 $% is obvious to me
When $T, C ,W$ and $G$ are sets, and I assume a village with 100 people, than what I am looking for is $lvert Wcup Grvert = lvert Wrvert+lvert Grvert-lvert Wcap Grvert$ and I know that $lvert T cap C cap W cap G rvert = 0$ and also the absolute values of the singletons
But I do not see how this brings me any closer, since I still need to figure out what $lvert Wcap Grvert$ is and that looks similar hard at this point
On the way there I also noticed that $lvert Tcap Crvert ge 70$ and similar $lvert Wcap Grvert ge 30$
By now I think there is too little information to solve it precisely.
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There is too little information, as it is phrased--namely, without knowing the population of the village, there's no way to answer "How many people...?" At best, we may answer questions of the form "What percent of the villagers...?"
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:54
Well, I suppose we can answer "How many people of the village drink all four beverages?"
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:55
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Clearly the village is in the UK, most likely Ireland (since otherwise people would drink whisky). So the answer is 100%. And everybody drinks ales, in addition to whatever drinks from the list they normally have.
â Asaf Karagilaâ¦
Aug 7 at 22:54
Why Northern Ireland? :-)
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Aug 9 at 5:21
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@AsafKaragila Not sure the Irish would take kindly to being told they were in the UK lol
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In a small village $90%$ of the people drink Tea, $80%$ Coffee, $70%$ Whiskey and $60%$ Gin. Nobody drinks all four beverages. What percentage of people of this village drinks alcohol?
I got this riddle from a relative and first thought it can be solved with the inclusion-, exclusion principle. That the percentage of people who drink alcohol has to be in the range from $ 70 $% to $ 100 $% is obvious to me
When $T, C ,W$ and $G$ are sets, and I assume a village with 100 people, than what I am looking for is $lvert Wcup Grvert = lvert Wrvert+lvert Grvert-lvert Wcap Grvert$ and I know that $lvert T cap C cap W cap G rvert = 0$ and also the absolute values of the singletons
But I do not see how this brings me any closer, since I still need to figure out what $lvert Wcap Grvert$ is and that looks similar hard at this point
On the way there I also noticed that $lvert Tcap Crvert ge 70$ and similar $lvert Wcap Grvert ge 30$
By now I think there is too little information to solve it precisely.
combinatorics algebra-precalculus puzzle
In a small village $90%$ of the people drink Tea, $80%$ Coffee, $70%$ Whiskey and $60%$ Gin. Nobody drinks all four beverages. What percentage of people of this village drinks alcohol?
I got this riddle from a relative and first thought it can be solved with the inclusion-, exclusion principle. That the percentage of people who drink alcohol has to be in the range from $ 70 $% to $ 100 $% is obvious to me
When $T, C ,W$ and $G$ are sets, and I assume a village with 100 people, than what I am looking for is $lvert Wcup Grvert = lvert Wrvert+lvert Grvert-lvert Wcap Grvert$ and I know that $lvert T cap C cap W cap G rvert = 0$ and also the absolute values of the singletons
But I do not see how this brings me any closer, since I still need to figure out what $lvert Wcap Grvert$ is and that looks similar hard at this point
On the way there I also noticed that $lvert Tcap Crvert ge 70$ and similar $lvert Wcap Grvert ge 30$
By now I think there is too little information to solve it precisely.
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There is too little information, as it is phrased--namely, without knowing the population of the village, there's no way to answer "How many people...?" At best, we may answer questions of the form "What percent of the villagers...?"
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:54
Well, I suppose we can answer "How many people of the village drink all four beverages?"
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:55
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Clearly the village is in the UK, most likely Ireland (since otherwise people would drink whisky). So the answer is 100%. And everybody drinks ales, in addition to whatever drinks from the list they normally have.
â Asaf Karagilaâ¦
Aug 7 at 22:54
Why Northern Ireland? :-)
â copper.hat
Aug 9 at 5:21
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@AsafKaragila Not sure the Irish would take kindly to being told they were in the UK lol
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There is too little information, as it is phrased--namely, without knowing the population of the village, there's no way to answer "How many people...?" At best, we may answer questions of the form "What percent of the villagers...?"
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:54
Well, I suppose we can answer "How many people of the village drink all four beverages?"
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:55
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Clearly the village is in the UK, most likely Ireland (since otherwise people would drink whisky). So the answer is 100%. And everybody drinks ales, in addition to whatever drinks from the list they normally have.
â Asaf Karagilaâ¦
Aug 7 at 22:54
Why Northern Ireland? :-)
â copper.hat
Aug 9 at 5:21
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@AsafKaragila Not sure the Irish would take kindly to being told they were in the UK lol
â Jam
Aug 9 at 14:38
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There is too little information, as it is phrased--namely, without knowing the population of the village, there's no way to answer "How many people...?" At best, we may answer questions of the form "What percent of the villagers...?"
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:54
There is too little information, as it is phrased--namely, without knowing the population of the village, there's no way to answer "How many people...?" At best, we may answer questions of the form "What percent of the villagers...?"
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:54
Well, I suppose we can answer "How many people of the village drink all four beverages?"
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:55
Well, I suppose we can answer "How many people of the village drink all four beverages?"
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:55
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Clearly the village is in the UK, most likely Ireland (since otherwise people would drink whisky). So the answer is 100%. And everybody drinks ales, in addition to whatever drinks from the list they normally have.
â Asaf Karagilaâ¦
Aug 7 at 22:54
Clearly the village is in the UK, most likely Ireland (since otherwise people would drink whisky). So the answer is 100%. And everybody drinks ales, in addition to whatever drinks from the list they normally have.
â Asaf Karagilaâ¦
Aug 7 at 22:54
Why Northern Ireland? :-)
â copper.hat
Aug 9 at 5:21
Why Northern Ireland? :-)
â copper.hat
Aug 9 at 5:21
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@AsafKaragila Not sure the Irish would take kindly to being told they were in the UK lol
â Jam
Aug 9 at 14:38
@AsafKaragila Not sure the Irish would take kindly to being told they were in the UK lol
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Aug 9 at 14:38
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From the problem we can say that the village is $90%+80%+70%+60% = 300%$ saturated with liquids. From this we can say that every person should drink strictly $3$ beverages, no more no less.
Having drinking three beverages, while there are only two non-alcoholic beverages supplied to the village, you are guaranteed to get drunk. Thus, $100%$ of the village drink alcohol.
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(+1) For perfect explanation.
â philip
Aug 8 at 1:42
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(+1) Nice and accurate answer.
â tien lee
Aug 8 at 11:29
This actually explained @Acccumulation's answer. +1
â camden_kid
Aug 8 at 17:49
"... will get drunk.." they must be a bunch of lightweights, since no mention of the volume of each type of drink was mentioned!
â Carl Witthoft
Aug 8 at 18:06
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ISTM that AcccumulationâÂÂs answer explained this.
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If you add up the percentages, they come out to $300%$. This means that the average number of beverages per person is $3$. No one drinks more than that, so no one can drink less than that, either. Since everyone drinks exactly three beverages, everyone has exactly one beverage that they don't drink. So no one doesn't drink both whiskey and gin, i.e. everyone drinks alcohol.
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(+1) Out of the current 4 answers, this is the simplest/clearest explanation. (A direct corollary from this explanation is that everyone drinks either tea or coffee, too.)
â Matt
Aug 7 at 21:59
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I'll note that this technique of summing over a certain domain of interest is also how one can prove the measure-theoretic pigeonhole principle, namely that if $S_1..n$ are measurable subsets of $[0,1]$ and $sum_i=1^n |S_i| > k$ then some real in $[0,1]$ is in more than $k$ of the sets $S_1..n$. (Hint: Summing corresponds to integrating.)
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Yes, there is enough information. Clearly the overlap between whiskey drinkers and gin drinkers is at least $30%$, being exactly $30%$ iff $40%$ drink whiskey but not gin, and $30%$ drink gin but not whiskey. Similarly at least $70%$ drink both tea and coffee. Since nobody drinks all four, the number who drink both whiskey and gin is exactly $30%$, and the number who drink alcohol is $30% + 30% + 40%$, i.e. everybody.
Is it true that 70% drink both tea and coffee? Consider the case that there are 10 inhabitants named [a b c d e f g h i j]. Let's say that [a b c d e f g] (70%) drink tea, and that [c d e f g h i j] (80%) drink coffee. The subset that drink both is (in this instance) [c d e f g] - only 50%. I think we don't have enough information: there are a lot of different subsets which satisfy all the conditions, but would give different results for "drinks whiskey or gin", or any other union/intersection question you might have.
â Max Williams
Aug 8 at 12:08
@MaxWilliams, I think that you will find 10 inhabitants to be insufficient to meet the rest of the % requirements. When you have a population that WILL support it, then Michael Behrend's answer should hold up
â JoeG
Aug 8 at 12:50
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@MaxWilliams You read it wrong --- the percentages for tea and coffee are 90% and 80%, not 80% and 70%.
â Federico Poloni
Aug 8 at 13:50
This problem looks similar to my question, math.stackexchange.com/q/2607531/521955 @Michael Behrend could you answer that please?
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Aug 9 at 15:47
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Hint: consider what "Nobody drinks all four beverages" means in terms of the four groups
- People who don't drink tea
- People who don't drink coffee
- People who don't drink whiskey
- People who don't drink gin
and then see how big each of those groups are.
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:-) $$
â Jyrki Lahtonen
Aug 7 at 11:47
Really? This allows one to somehow intuit the population of the village?
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:52
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@CameronBuie You are intelligent enough to know the answer to that yourself. I see no reason to be as pedantic as you are about the exact choice of words in the question "How many people of this village drink alcohol?", and would prefer to give people (who might not have English as their first language) the benefit of the doubt.
â Arthur
Aug 7 at 12:09
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You can use inclusion/exclusion but you might not have enough information. Or then again you might.
The number of people who are in $A$ or $B$ is $A + B - (Acap B)$ and so if $A+B > 100$ percent we can conclude $A+B - 100le Acap B le min (A,B)$
So $WHISKEY + GIN - 100 = 70+60 -100 = 30 le(WHISKEY cap GIN) le min WHISKEY, GIN = GIN = 60$.
Likewise $TEA + COFFEE - 100 = 90 + 80 100 = 70 le(COFFEE cap TEA)le min COFFEE, TEA = COFFEE = 80$.
Let $A = (COFFEE cap TEA)$ and $B = (WHISKEY cap GIN)$ and $70 + 30 = 100 le A + B$ so $A+B -100 le Acap B$. But we know that $A cap B = COFFEE cap TEA cap WHISKEY cap GIN)=0$.
That can only happen if $A = 70$ and $B = 30$.
So the people drink alcohol $= WHISKEY + GIN - (WHISKEY cap GIN) = 70 + 60 -30 = 100$ percent.
(We have everybody drinking alcohol and everbody drinking caffeine, and everybody drinks two of one and one of the other:
$30%$ drink gin, tea, and coffee.
$40%$ drink whiskey, tea, and coffee.
$10%$ drink whiskey, gin, and coffee.
$20%$ drink whiskey, gin, and tea.
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+1 for the first line.
â Lamar Latrell
Aug 8 at 10:02
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Is the first paragraph meant to be a joke?âÂÂIf it is, itâÂÂs not very clear (to me).â It looks (to me) like a typo.
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Aug 8 at 22:21
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A friend of mine proposed this solution which you could call a solution without words.
He showed me this picture:
And then he said: "Isn't it just $100%$?". I said: "How?!" And then after a couple of seconds I said: "Wooow!".
Explanation
The white boxes correspond to the proportion of people that drink a specific type of drink. You see that there are no four white boxes underneath each other which makes sure that everyone drinks less than 4 types. We also see that everyone drinks exactly 3 types. So everyone is drinking alcohol.
I think this picture is beautiful, since it also could lead to the start of a nice mathematical proof.
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The key idea in the picture is that no black area's can overlap because that would mean a person drinks all four types.
â fejfo
Aug 12 at 18:43
@fejfo yes, my formulation was wrong, edited!
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From the problem we can say that the village is $90%+80%+70%+60% = 300%$ saturated with liquids. From this we can say that every person should drink strictly $3$ beverages, no more no less.
Having drinking three beverages, while there are only two non-alcoholic beverages supplied to the village, you are guaranteed to get drunk. Thus, $100%$ of the village drink alcohol.
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(+1) For perfect explanation.
â philip
Aug 8 at 1:42
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(+1) Nice and accurate answer.
â tien lee
Aug 8 at 11:29
This actually explained @Acccumulation's answer. +1
â camden_kid
Aug 8 at 17:49
"... will get drunk.." they must be a bunch of lightweights, since no mention of the volume of each type of drink was mentioned!
â Carl Witthoft
Aug 8 at 18:06
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ISTM that AcccumulationâÂÂs answer explained this.
â Scott
Aug 8 at 22:25
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From the problem we can say that the village is $90%+80%+70%+60% = 300%$ saturated with liquids. From this we can say that every person should drink strictly $3$ beverages, no more no less.
Having drinking three beverages, while there are only two non-alcoholic beverages supplied to the village, you are guaranteed to get drunk. Thus, $100%$ of the village drink alcohol.
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(+1) For perfect explanation.
â philip
Aug 8 at 1:42
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(+1) Nice and accurate answer.
â tien lee
Aug 8 at 11:29
This actually explained @Acccumulation's answer. +1
â camden_kid
Aug 8 at 17:49
"... will get drunk.." they must be a bunch of lightweights, since no mention of the volume of each type of drink was mentioned!
â Carl Witthoft
Aug 8 at 18:06
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ISTM that AcccumulationâÂÂs answer explained this.
â Scott
Aug 8 at 22:25
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From the problem we can say that the village is $90%+80%+70%+60% = 300%$ saturated with liquids. From this we can say that every person should drink strictly $3$ beverages, no more no less.
Having drinking three beverages, while there are only two non-alcoholic beverages supplied to the village, you are guaranteed to get drunk. Thus, $100%$ of the village drink alcohol.
From the problem we can say that the village is $90%+80%+70%+60% = 300%$ saturated with liquids. From this we can say that every person should drink strictly $3$ beverages, no more no less.
Having drinking three beverages, while there are only two non-alcoholic beverages supplied to the village, you are guaranteed to get drunk. Thus, $100%$ of the village drink alcohol.
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(+1) For perfect explanation.
â philip
Aug 8 at 1:42
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(+1) Nice and accurate answer.
â tien lee
Aug 8 at 11:29
This actually explained @Acccumulation's answer. +1
â camden_kid
Aug 8 at 17:49
"... will get drunk.." they must be a bunch of lightweights, since no mention of the volume of each type of drink was mentioned!
â Carl Witthoft
Aug 8 at 18:06
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ISTM that AcccumulationâÂÂs answer explained this.
â Scott
Aug 8 at 22:25
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(+1) For perfect explanation.
â philip
Aug 8 at 1:42
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(+1) Nice and accurate answer.
â tien lee
Aug 8 at 11:29
This actually explained @Acccumulation's answer. +1
â camden_kid
Aug 8 at 17:49
"... will get drunk.." they must be a bunch of lightweights, since no mention of the volume of each type of drink was mentioned!
â Carl Witthoft
Aug 8 at 18:06
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ISTM that AcccumulationâÂÂs answer explained this.
â Scott
Aug 8 at 22:25
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(+1) For perfect explanation.
â philip
Aug 8 at 1:42
(+1) For perfect explanation.
â philip
Aug 8 at 1:42
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(+1) Nice and accurate answer.
â tien lee
Aug 8 at 11:29
(+1) Nice and accurate answer.
â tien lee
Aug 8 at 11:29
This actually explained @Acccumulation's answer. +1
â camden_kid
Aug 8 at 17:49
This actually explained @Acccumulation's answer. +1
â camden_kid
Aug 8 at 17:49
"... will get drunk.." they must be a bunch of lightweights, since no mention of the volume of each type of drink was mentioned!
â Carl Witthoft
Aug 8 at 18:06
"... will get drunk.." they must be a bunch of lightweights, since no mention of the volume of each type of drink was mentioned!
â Carl Witthoft
Aug 8 at 18:06
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ISTM that AcccumulationâÂÂs answer explained this.
â Scott
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ISTM that AcccumulationâÂÂs answer explained this.
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If you add up the percentages, they come out to $300%$. This means that the average number of beverages per person is $3$. No one drinks more than that, so no one can drink less than that, either. Since everyone drinks exactly three beverages, everyone has exactly one beverage that they don't drink. So no one doesn't drink both whiskey and gin, i.e. everyone drinks alcohol.
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(+1) Out of the current 4 answers, this is the simplest/clearest explanation. (A direct corollary from this explanation is that everyone drinks either tea or coffee, too.)
â Matt
Aug 7 at 21:59
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I'll note that this technique of summing over a certain domain of interest is also how one can prove the measure-theoretic pigeonhole principle, namely that if $S_1..n$ are measurable subsets of $[0,1]$ and $sum_i=1^n |S_i| > k$ then some real in $[0,1]$ is in more than $k$ of the sets $S_1..n$. (Hint: Summing corresponds to integrating.)
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An answer on Math.SE I can understand, never thought I'd live to see that day.
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If you add up the percentages, they come out to $300%$. This means that the average number of beverages per person is $3$. No one drinks more than that, so no one can drink less than that, either. Since everyone drinks exactly three beverages, everyone has exactly one beverage that they don't drink. So no one doesn't drink both whiskey and gin, i.e. everyone drinks alcohol.
8
(+1) Out of the current 4 answers, this is the simplest/clearest explanation. (A direct corollary from this explanation is that everyone drinks either tea or coffee, too.)
â Matt
Aug 7 at 21:59
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I'll note that this technique of summing over a certain domain of interest is also how one can prove the measure-theoretic pigeonhole principle, namely that if $S_1..n$ are measurable subsets of $[0,1]$ and $sum_i=1^n |S_i| > k$ then some real in $[0,1]$ is in more than $k$ of the sets $S_1..n$. (Hint: Summing corresponds to integrating.)
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An answer on Math.SE I can understand, never thought I'd live to see that day.
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If you add up the percentages, they come out to $300%$. This means that the average number of beverages per person is $3$. No one drinks more than that, so no one can drink less than that, either. Since everyone drinks exactly three beverages, everyone has exactly one beverage that they don't drink. So no one doesn't drink both whiskey and gin, i.e. everyone drinks alcohol.
If you add up the percentages, they come out to $300%$. This means that the average number of beverages per person is $3$. No one drinks more than that, so no one can drink less than that, either. Since everyone drinks exactly three beverages, everyone has exactly one beverage that they don't drink. So no one doesn't drink both whiskey and gin, i.e. everyone drinks alcohol.
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(+1) Out of the current 4 answers, this is the simplest/clearest explanation. (A direct corollary from this explanation is that everyone drinks either tea or coffee, too.)
â Matt
Aug 7 at 21:59
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I'll note that this technique of summing over a certain domain of interest is also how one can prove the measure-theoretic pigeonhole principle, namely that if $S_1..n$ are measurable subsets of $[0,1]$ and $sum_i=1^n |S_i| > k$ then some real in $[0,1]$ is in more than $k$ of the sets $S_1..n$. (Hint: Summing corresponds to integrating.)
â user21820
Aug 9 at 3:19
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An answer on Math.SE I can understand, never thought I'd live to see that day.
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Aug 9 at 7:21
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(+1) Out of the current 4 answers, this is the simplest/clearest explanation. (A direct corollary from this explanation is that everyone drinks either tea or coffee, too.)
â Matt
Aug 7 at 21:59
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I'll note that this technique of summing over a certain domain of interest is also how one can prove the measure-theoretic pigeonhole principle, namely that if $S_1..n$ are measurable subsets of $[0,1]$ and $sum_i=1^n |S_i| > k$ then some real in $[0,1]$ is in more than $k$ of the sets $S_1..n$. (Hint: Summing corresponds to integrating.)
â user21820
Aug 9 at 3:19
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An answer on Math.SE I can understand, never thought I'd live to see that day.
â Maurycy
Aug 9 at 7:21
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(+1) Out of the current 4 answers, this is the simplest/clearest explanation. (A direct corollary from this explanation is that everyone drinks either tea or coffee, too.)
â Matt
Aug 7 at 21:59
(+1) Out of the current 4 answers, this is the simplest/clearest explanation. (A direct corollary from this explanation is that everyone drinks either tea or coffee, too.)
â Matt
Aug 7 at 21:59
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I'll note that this technique of summing over a certain domain of interest is also how one can prove the measure-theoretic pigeonhole principle, namely that if $S_1..n$ are measurable subsets of $[0,1]$ and $sum_i=1^n |S_i| > k$ then some real in $[0,1]$ is in more than $k$ of the sets $S_1..n$. (Hint: Summing corresponds to integrating.)
â user21820
Aug 9 at 3:19
I'll note that this technique of summing over a certain domain of interest is also how one can prove the measure-theoretic pigeonhole principle, namely that if $S_1..n$ are measurable subsets of $[0,1]$ and $sum_i=1^n |S_i| > k$ then some real in $[0,1]$ is in more than $k$ of the sets $S_1..n$. (Hint: Summing corresponds to integrating.)
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Aug 9 at 3:19
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An answer on Math.SE I can understand, never thought I'd live to see that day.
â Maurycy
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An answer on Math.SE I can understand, never thought I'd live to see that day.
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Yes, there is enough information. Clearly the overlap between whiskey drinkers and gin drinkers is at least $30%$, being exactly $30%$ iff $40%$ drink whiskey but not gin, and $30%$ drink gin but not whiskey. Similarly at least $70%$ drink both tea and coffee. Since nobody drinks all four, the number who drink both whiskey and gin is exactly $30%$, and the number who drink alcohol is $30% + 30% + 40%$, i.e. everybody.
Is it true that 70% drink both tea and coffee? Consider the case that there are 10 inhabitants named [a b c d e f g h i j]. Let's say that [a b c d e f g] (70%) drink tea, and that [c d e f g h i j] (80%) drink coffee. The subset that drink both is (in this instance) [c d e f g] - only 50%. I think we don't have enough information: there are a lot of different subsets which satisfy all the conditions, but would give different results for "drinks whiskey or gin", or any other union/intersection question you might have.
â Max Williams
Aug 8 at 12:08
@MaxWilliams, I think that you will find 10 inhabitants to be insufficient to meet the rest of the % requirements. When you have a population that WILL support it, then Michael Behrend's answer should hold up
â JoeG
Aug 8 at 12:50
6
@MaxWilliams You read it wrong --- the percentages for tea and coffee are 90% and 80%, not 80% and 70%.
â Federico Poloni
Aug 8 at 13:50
This problem looks similar to my question, math.stackexchange.com/q/2607531/521955 @Michael Behrend could you answer that please?
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Yes, there is enough information. Clearly the overlap between whiskey drinkers and gin drinkers is at least $30%$, being exactly $30%$ iff $40%$ drink whiskey but not gin, and $30%$ drink gin but not whiskey. Similarly at least $70%$ drink both tea and coffee. Since nobody drinks all four, the number who drink both whiskey and gin is exactly $30%$, and the number who drink alcohol is $30% + 30% + 40%$, i.e. everybody.
Is it true that 70% drink both tea and coffee? Consider the case that there are 10 inhabitants named [a b c d e f g h i j]. Let's say that [a b c d e f g] (70%) drink tea, and that [c d e f g h i j] (80%) drink coffee. The subset that drink both is (in this instance) [c d e f g] - only 50%. I think we don't have enough information: there are a lot of different subsets which satisfy all the conditions, but would give different results for "drinks whiskey or gin", or any other union/intersection question you might have.
â Max Williams
Aug 8 at 12:08
@MaxWilliams, I think that you will find 10 inhabitants to be insufficient to meet the rest of the % requirements. When you have a population that WILL support it, then Michael Behrend's answer should hold up
â JoeG
Aug 8 at 12:50
6
@MaxWilliams You read it wrong --- the percentages for tea and coffee are 90% and 80%, not 80% and 70%.
â Federico Poloni
Aug 8 at 13:50
This problem looks similar to my question, math.stackexchange.com/q/2607531/521955 @Michael Behrend could you answer that please?
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Yes, there is enough information. Clearly the overlap between whiskey drinkers and gin drinkers is at least $30%$, being exactly $30%$ iff $40%$ drink whiskey but not gin, and $30%$ drink gin but not whiskey. Similarly at least $70%$ drink both tea and coffee. Since nobody drinks all four, the number who drink both whiskey and gin is exactly $30%$, and the number who drink alcohol is $30% + 30% + 40%$, i.e. everybody.
Yes, there is enough information. Clearly the overlap between whiskey drinkers and gin drinkers is at least $30%$, being exactly $30%$ iff $40%$ drink whiskey but not gin, and $30%$ drink gin but not whiskey. Similarly at least $70%$ drink both tea and coffee. Since nobody drinks all four, the number who drink both whiskey and gin is exactly $30%$, and the number who drink alcohol is $30% + 30% + 40%$, i.e. everybody.
edited Aug 9 at 9:07
TheSimpliFire
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answered Aug 7 at 12:46
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Is it true that 70% drink both tea and coffee? Consider the case that there are 10 inhabitants named [a b c d e f g h i j]. Let's say that [a b c d e f g] (70%) drink tea, and that [c d e f g h i j] (80%) drink coffee. The subset that drink both is (in this instance) [c d e f g] - only 50%. I think we don't have enough information: there are a lot of different subsets which satisfy all the conditions, but would give different results for "drinks whiskey or gin", or any other union/intersection question you might have.
â Max Williams
Aug 8 at 12:08
@MaxWilliams, I think that you will find 10 inhabitants to be insufficient to meet the rest of the % requirements. When you have a population that WILL support it, then Michael Behrend's answer should hold up
â JoeG
Aug 8 at 12:50
6
@MaxWilliams You read it wrong --- the percentages for tea and coffee are 90% and 80%, not 80% and 70%.
â Federico Poloni
Aug 8 at 13:50
This problem looks similar to my question, math.stackexchange.com/q/2607531/521955 @Michael Behrend could you answer that please?
â lemuel
Aug 9 at 15:47
add a comment |Â
Is it true that 70% drink both tea and coffee? Consider the case that there are 10 inhabitants named [a b c d e f g h i j]. Let's say that [a b c d e f g] (70%) drink tea, and that [c d e f g h i j] (80%) drink coffee. The subset that drink both is (in this instance) [c d e f g] - only 50%. I think we don't have enough information: there are a lot of different subsets which satisfy all the conditions, but would give different results for "drinks whiskey or gin", or any other union/intersection question you might have.
â Max Williams
Aug 8 at 12:08
@MaxWilliams, I think that you will find 10 inhabitants to be insufficient to meet the rest of the % requirements. When you have a population that WILL support it, then Michael Behrend's answer should hold up
â JoeG
Aug 8 at 12:50
6
@MaxWilliams You read it wrong --- the percentages for tea and coffee are 90% and 80%, not 80% and 70%.
â Federico Poloni
Aug 8 at 13:50
This problem looks similar to my question, math.stackexchange.com/q/2607531/521955 @Michael Behrend could you answer that please?
â lemuel
Aug 9 at 15:47
Is it true that 70% drink both tea and coffee? Consider the case that there are 10 inhabitants named [a b c d e f g h i j]. Let's say that [a b c d e f g] (70%) drink tea, and that [c d e f g h i j] (80%) drink coffee. The subset that drink both is (in this instance) [c d e f g] - only 50%. I think we don't have enough information: there are a lot of different subsets which satisfy all the conditions, but would give different results for "drinks whiskey or gin", or any other union/intersection question you might have.
â Max Williams
Aug 8 at 12:08
Is it true that 70% drink both tea and coffee? Consider the case that there are 10 inhabitants named [a b c d e f g h i j]. Let's say that [a b c d e f g] (70%) drink tea, and that [c d e f g h i j] (80%) drink coffee. The subset that drink both is (in this instance) [c d e f g] - only 50%. I think we don't have enough information: there are a lot of different subsets which satisfy all the conditions, but would give different results for "drinks whiskey or gin", or any other union/intersection question you might have.
â Max Williams
Aug 8 at 12:08
@MaxWilliams, I think that you will find 10 inhabitants to be insufficient to meet the rest of the % requirements. When you have a population that WILL support it, then Michael Behrend's answer should hold up
â JoeG
Aug 8 at 12:50
@MaxWilliams, I think that you will find 10 inhabitants to be insufficient to meet the rest of the % requirements. When you have a population that WILL support it, then Michael Behrend's answer should hold up
â JoeG
Aug 8 at 12:50
6
6
@MaxWilliams You read it wrong --- the percentages for tea and coffee are 90% and 80%, not 80% and 70%.
â Federico Poloni
Aug 8 at 13:50
@MaxWilliams You read it wrong --- the percentages for tea and coffee are 90% and 80%, not 80% and 70%.
â Federico Poloni
Aug 8 at 13:50
This problem looks similar to my question, math.stackexchange.com/q/2607531/521955 @Michael Behrend could you answer that please?
â lemuel
Aug 9 at 15:47
This problem looks similar to my question, math.stackexchange.com/q/2607531/521955 @Michael Behrend could you answer that please?
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Hint: consider what "Nobody drinks all four beverages" means in terms of the four groups
- People who don't drink tea
- People who don't drink coffee
- People who don't drink whiskey
- People who don't drink gin
and then see how big each of those groups are.
1
:-) $$
â Jyrki Lahtonen
Aug 7 at 11:47
Really? This allows one to somehow intuit the population of the village?
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:52
20
@CameronBuie You are intelligent enough to know the answer to that yourself. I see no reason to be as pedantic as you are about the exact choice of words in the question "How many people of this village drink alcohol?", and would prefer to give people (who might not have English as their first language) the benefit of the doubt.
â Arthur
Aug 7 at 12:09
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Hint: consider what "Nobody drinks all four beverages" means in terms of the four groups
- People who don't drink tea
- People who don't drink coffee
- People who don't drink whiskey
- People who don't drink gin
and then see how big each of those groups are.
1
:-) $$
â Jyrki Lahtonen
Aug 7 at 11:47
Really? This allows one to somehow intuit the population of the village?
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:52
20
@CameronBuie You are intelligent enough to know the answer to that yourself. I see no reason to be as pedantic as you are about the exact choice of words in the question "How many people of this village drink alcohol?", and would prefer to give people (who might not have English as their first language) the benefit of the doubt.
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up vote
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Hint: consider what "Nobody drinks all four beverages" means in terms of the four groups
- People who don't drink tea
- People who don't drink coffee
- People who don't drink whiskey
- People who don't drink gin
and then see how big each of those groups are.
Hint: consider what "Nobody drinks all four beverages" means in terms of the four groups
- People who don't drink tea
- People who don't drink coffee
- People who don't drink whiskey
- People who don't drink gin
and then see how big each of those groups are.
answered Aug 7 at 11:44
Arthur
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:-) $$
â Jyrki Lahtonen
Aug 7 at 11:47
Really? This allows one to somehow intuit the population of the village?
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:52
20
@CameronBuie You are intelligent enough to know the answer to that yourself. I see no reason to be as pedantic as you are about the exact choice of words in the question "How many people of this village drink alcohol?", and would prefer to give people (who might not have English as their first language) the benefit of the doubt.
â Arthur
Aug 7 at 12:09
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1
:-) $$
â Jyrki Lahtonen
Aug 7 at 11:47
Really? This allows one to somehow intuit the population of the village?
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:52
20
@CameronBuie You are intelligent enough to know the answer to that yourself. I see no reason to be as pedantic as you are about the exact choice of words in the question "How many people of this village drink alcohol?", and would prefer to give people (who might not have English as their first language) the benefit of the doubt.
â Arthur
Aug 7 at 12:09
1
1
:-) $$
â Jyrki Lahtonen
Aug 7 at 11:47
:-) $$
â Jyrki Lahtonen
Aug 7 at 11:47
Really? This allows one to somehow intuit the population of the village?
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:52
Really? This allows one to somehow intuit the population of the village?
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:52
20
20
@CameronBuie You are intelligent enough to know the answer to that yourself. I see no reason to be as pedantic as you are about the exact choice of words in the question "How many people of this village drink alcohol?", and would prefer to give people (who might not have English as their first language) the benefit of the doubt.
â Arthur
Aug 7 at 12:09
@CameronBuie You are intelligent enough to know the answer to that yourself. I see no reason to be as pedantic as you are about the exact choice of words in the question "How many people of this village drink alcohol?", and would prefer to give people (who might not have English as their first language) the benefit of the doubt.
â Arthur
Aug 7 at 12:09
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7
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You can use inclusion/exclusion but you might not have enough information. Or then again you might.
The number of people who are in $A$ or $B$ is $A + B - (Acap B)$ and so if $A+B > 100$ percent we can conclude $A+B - 100le Acap B le min (A,B)$
So $WHISKEY + GIN - 100 = 70+60 -100 = 30 le(WHISKEY cap GIN) le min WHISKEY, GIN = GIN = 60$.
Likewise $TEA + COFFEE - 100 = 90 + 80 100 = 70 le(COFFEE cap TEA)le min COFFEE, TEA = COFFEE = 80$.
Let $A = (COFFEE cap TEA)$ and $B = (WHISKEY cap GIN)$ and $70 + 30 = 100 le A + B$ so $A+B -100 le Acap B$. But we know that $A cap B = COFFEE cap TEA cap WHISKEY cap GIN)=0$.
That can only happen if $A = 70$ and $B = 30$.
So the people drink alcohol $= WHISKEY + GIN - (WHISKEY cap GIN) = 70 + 60 -30 = 100$ percent.
(We have everybody drinking alcohol and everbody drinking caffeine, and everybody drinks two of one and one of the other:
$30%$ drink gin, tea, and coffee.
$40%$ drink whiskey, tea, and coffee.
$10%$ drink whiskey, gin, and coffee.
$20%$ drink whiskey, gin, and tea.
1
+1 for the first line.
â Lamar Latrell
Aug 8 at 10:02
3
Is the first paragraph meant to be a joke?âÂÂIf it is, itâÂÂs not very clear (to me).â It looks (to me) like a typo.
â Scott
Aug 8 at 22:21
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up vote
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You can use inclusion/exclusion but you might not have enough information. Or then again you might.
The number of people who are in $A$ or $B$ is $A + B - (Acap B)$ and so if $A+B > 100$ percent we can conclude $A+B - 100le Acap B le min (A,B)$
So $WHISKEY + GIN - 100 = 70+60 -100 = 30 le(WHISKEY cap GIN) le min WHISKEY, GIN = GIN = 60$.
Likewise $TEA + COFFEE - 100 = 90 + 80 100 = 70 le(COFFEE cap TEA)le min COFFEE, TEA = COFFEE = 80$.
Let $A = (COFFEE cap TEA)$ and $B = (WHISKEY cap GIN)$ and $70 + 30 = 100 le A + B$ so $A+B -100 le Acap B$. But we know that $A cap B = COFFEE cap TEA cap WHISKEY cap GIN)=0$.
That can only happen if $A = 70$ and $B = 30$.
So the people drink alcohol $= WHISKEY + GIN - (WHISKEY cap GIN) = 70 + 60 -30 = 100$ percent.
(We have everybody drinking alcohol and everbody drinking caffeine, and everybody drinks two of one and one of the other:
$30%$ drink gin, tea, and coffee.
$40%$ drink whiskey, tea, and coffee.
$10%$ drink whiskey, gin, and coffee.
$20%$ drink whiskey, gin, and tea.
1
+1 for the first line.
â Lamar Latrell
Aug 8 at 10:02
3
Is the first paragraph meant to be a joke?âÂÂIf it is, itâÂÂs not very clear (to me).â It looks (to me) like a typo.
â Scott
Aug 8 at 22:21
add a comment |Â
up vote
7
down vote
up vote
7
down vote
You can use inclusion/exclusion but you might not have enough information. Or then again you might.
The number of people who are in $A$ or $B$ is $A + B - (Acap B)$ and so if $A+B > 100$ percent we can conclude $A+B - 100le Acap B le min (A,B)$
So $WHISKEY + GIN - 100 = 70+60 -100 = 30 le(WHISKEY cap GIN) le min WHISKEY, GIN = GIN = 60$.
Likewise $TEA + COFFEE - 100 = 90 + 80 100 = 70 le(COFFEE cap TEA)le min COFFEE, TEA = COFFEE = 80$.
Let $A = (COFFEE cap TEA)$ and $B = (WHISKEY cap GIN)$ and $70 + 30 = 100 le A + B$ so $A+B -100 le Acap B$. But we know that $A cap B = COFFEE cap TEA cap WHISKEY cap GIN)=0$.
That can only happen if $A = 70$ and $B = 30$.
So the people drink alcohol $= WHISKEY + GIN - (WHISKEY cap GIN) = 70 + 60 -30 = 100$ percent.
(We have everybody drinking alcohol and everbody drinking caffeine, and everybody drinks two of one and one of the other:
$30%$ drink gin, tea, and coffee.
$40%$ drink whiskey, tea, and coffee.
$10%$ drink whiskey, gin, and coffee.
$20%$ drink whiskey, gin, and tea.
You can use inclusion/exclusion but you might not have enough information. Or then again you might.
The number of people who are in $A$ or $B$ is $A + B - (Acap B)$ and so if $A+B > 100$ percent we can conclude $A+B - 100le Acap B le min (A,B)$
So $WHISKEY + GIN - 100 = 70+60 -100 = 30 le(WHISKEY cap GIN) le min WHISKEY, GIN = GIN = 60$.
Likewise $TEA + COFFEE - 100 = 90 + 80 100 = 70 le(COFFEE cap TEA)le min COFFEE, TEA = COFFEE = 80$.
Let $A = (COFFEE cap TEA)$ and $B = (WHISKEY cap GIN)$ and $70 + 30 = 100 le A + B$ so $A+B -100 le Acap B$. But we know that $A cap B = COFFEE cap TEA cap WHISKEY cap GIN)=0$.
That can only happen if $A = 70$ and $B = 30$.
So the people drink alcohol $= WHISKEY + GIN - (WHISKEY cap GIN) = 70 + 60 -30 = 100$ percent.
(We have everybody drinking alcohol and everbody drinking caffeine, and everybody drinks two of one and one of the other:
$30%$ drink gin, tea, and coffee.
$40%$ drink whiskey, tea, and coffee.
$10%$ drink whiskey, gin, and coffee.
$20%$ drink whiskey, gin, and tea.
edited Aug 9 at 2:14
answered Aug 7 at 21:50
fleablood
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+1 for the first line.
â Lamar Latrell
Aug 8 at 10:02
3
Is the first paragraph meant to be a joke?âÂÂIf it is, itâÂÂs not very clear (to me).â It looks (to me) like a typo.
â Scott
Aug 8 at 22:21
add a comment |Â
1
+1 for the first line.
â Lamar Latrell
Aug 8 at 10:02
3
Is the first paragraph meant to be a joke?âÂÂIf it is, itâÂÂs not very clear (to me).â It looks (to me) like a typo.
â Scott
Aug 8 at 22:21
1
1
+1 for the first line.
â Lamar Latrell
Aug 8 at 10:02
+1 for the first line.
â Lamar Latrell
Aug 8 at 10:02
3
3
Is the first paragraph meant to be a joke?âÂÂIf it is, itâÂÂs not very clear (to me).â It looks (to me) like a typo.
â Scott
Aug 8 at 22:21
Is the first paragraph meant to be a joke?âÂÂIf it is, itâÂÂs not very clear (to me).â It looks (to me) like a typo.
â Scott
Aug 8 at 22:21
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A friend of mine proposed this solution which you could call a solution without words.
He showed me this picture:
And then he said: "Isn't it just $100%$?". I said: "How?!" And then after a couple of seconds I said: "Wooow!".
Explanation
The white boxes correspond to the proportion of people that drink a specific type of drink. You see that there are no four white boxes underneath each other which makes sure that everyone drinks less than 4 types. We also see that everyone drinks exactly 3 types. So everyone is drinking alcohol.
I think this picture is beautiful, since it also could lead to the start of a nice mathematical proof.
1
The key idea in the picture is that no black area's can overlap because that would mean a person drinks all four types.
â fejfo
Aug 12 at 18:43
@fejfo yes, my formulation was wrong, edited!
â Shashi
Aug 12 at 19:13
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up vote
2
down vote
A friend of mine proposed this solution which you could call a solution without words.
He showed me this picture:
And then he said: "Isn't it just $100%$?". I said: "How?!" And then after a couple of seconds I said: "Wooow!".
Explanation
The white boxes correspond to the proportion of people that drink a specific type of drink. You see that there are no four white boxes underneath each other which makes sure that everyone drinks less than 4 types. We also see that everyone drinks exactly 3 types. So everyone is drinking alcohol.
I think this picture is beautiful, since it also could lead to the start of a nice mathematical proof.
1
The key idea in the picture is that no black area's can overlap because that would mean a person drinks all four types.
â fejfo
Aug 12 at 18:43
@fejfo yes, my formulation was wrong, edited!
â Shashi
Aug 12 at 19:13
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
A friend of mine proposed this solution which you could call a solution without words.
He showed me this picture:
And then he said: "Isn't it just $100%$?". I said: "How?!" And then after a couple of seconds I said: "Wooow!".
Explanation
The white boxes correspond to the proportion of people that drink a specific type of drink. You see that there are no four white boxes underneath each other which makes sure that everyone drinks less than 4 types. We also see that everyone drinks exactly 3 types. So everyone is drinking alcohol.
I think this picture is beautiful, since it also could lead to the start of a nice mathematical proof.
A friend of mine proposed this solution which you could call a solution without words.
He showed me this picture:
And then he said: "Isn't it just $100%$?". I said: "How?!" And then after a couple of seconds I said: "Wooow!".
Explanation
The white boxes correspond to the proportion of people that drink a specific type of drink. You see that there are no four white boxes underneath each other which makes sure that everyone drinks less than 4 types. We also see that everyone drinks exactly 3 types. So everyone is drinking alcohol.
I think this picture is beautiful, since it also could lead to the start of a nice mathematical proof.
edited Aug 12 at 19:13
answered Aug 10 at 17:29
Shashi
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6,1461523
1
The key idea in the picture is that no black area's can overlap because that would mean a person drinks all four types.
â fejfo
Aug 12 at 18:43
@fejfo yes, my formulation was wrong, edited!
â Shashi
Aug 12 at 19:13
add a comment |Â
1
The key idea in the picture is that no black area's can overlap because that would mean a person drinks all four types.
â fejfo
Aug 12 at 18:43
@fejfo yes, my formulation was wrong, edited!
â Shashi
Aug 12 at 19:13
1
1
The key idea in the picture is that no black area's can overlap because that would mean a person drinks all four types.
â fejfo
Aug 12 at 18:43
The key idea in the picture is that no black area's can overlap because that would mean a person drinks all four types.
â fejfo
Aug 12 at 18:43
@fejfo yes, my formulation was wrong, edited!
â Shashi
Aug 12 at 19:13
@fejfo yes, my formulation was wrong, edited!
â Shashi
Aug 12 at 19:13
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There is too little information, as it is phrased--namely, without knowing the population of the village, there's no way to answer "How many people...?" At best, we may answer questions of the form "What percent of the villagers...?"
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:54
Well, I suppose we can answer "How many people of the village drink all four beverages?"
â Cameron Buie
Aug 7 at 11:55
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Clearly the village is in the UK, most likely Ireland (since otherwise people would drink whisky). So the answer is 100%. And everybody drinks ales, in addition to whatever drinks from the list they normally have.
â Asaf Karagilaâ¦
Aug 7 at 22:54
Why Northern Ireland? :-)
â copper.hat
Aug 9 at 5:21
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@AsafKaragila Not sure the Irish would take kindly to being told they were in the UK lol
â Jam
Aug 9 at 14:38